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Re: Possibly NO flying for microlights during World Cup

Postby Wargames » Fri May 28, 2010 2:17 pm

skybound® wrote:The latest below from Aero Club. So looks like if you are in the 50NM you have to hope for an exception based on the current circumstances in your area.
For the FIFA World Cup period, no aircraft with out being transponder
equipped will be allowed in 10 Nm of any World Cup applicable stadium.
Morningstar => Cape Town Stadium is 11nm. vhpy vhpy

My opinion is that we should not expect to be given an all clear on days when the games is on. Other days might be handled as normal days during operation shield.

But hence, we should not get to exited.
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Possibly NO flying for microlights during World Cup

Postby Frootbat » Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:12 pm

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Flying during the soccer world cup – Gauteng region
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Re: Possibly NO flying for microlights during World Cup

Postby thys bas » Fri Jun 04, 2010 7:24 pm

Any feedback from this meeting yet? Did anybody attend?
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Re: Possibly NO flying for microlights during World Cup

Postby skybound® » Mon Jun 07, 2010 8:37 am

I attended the meeting in PE with the SAAF and this is the feedback that I sent to our club members:
Ok - just got back from meeting with the SAAF - so gonna try get the bits down before I forget.

Just a reminder on the process:

1 - Get your Security Screening Code (SSC).
This is valid for six months.

2 - Obtain your Flight Authorisation Code (FAC).
This is valid for the time of the flight only as filled in on the application. If delayed anymore than 1 hour after the time you stipulated - the FAC expires and you must apply for a new one.

3 - File Flight Plan (FPL).
You must fill in your name and cell number on the FPL, in the operator field, in case they require to contact you. During the shield exercise and confed cup, they were able to use this info to prevent undesirable situations. Also place your FAC in the remarks/comments field eg: RMK/FAC 7623535 (Easiest is to register on File2Fly : http://www.file2fly.atns.co.za/ )

Notes:
If you are going to fly circuits only - no FPL required - but you still require a FAC.
On match days 2 hours before to 2 hours after - easiest is just not to fly. In our case FAUH is being used as a force down field for any aircraft intercepted so there may be presence of ground personnel.
Not equipped with Transponder issue - no clear answer I am afraid - it will depend on the threat level at the time. The general feeling I got was that it would not be a problem on non match days. They were sort of just 'shy' of giving a blanket waiver, in the event something did happen where they would have to enforce xpdrs.

The big message I took away from it - if uncertain for any reason at all - communicate. Phone them on FAC number.
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Re: Possibly NO flying for microlights during World Cup

Postby thys bas » Mon Jun 07, 2010 9:49 pm

Thank you very much Skybound.

Now we are on the same page and ready to fly!
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Possibly NO flying for microlights during World Cup

Postby Frootbat » Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:26 pm

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Can u also smell a BUN fight. ????
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Re: Possibly NO flying for microlights during World Cup

Postby pietmeyer » Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:43 pm

Well, so far the World Cup was not too bad for our flying time here in Centurion. Filed a few plans and all were accepted. The guys at SAAF as well as File2Fly have been very helpfull and friendly. I must say cheers to them for always helping. I even filed a FAC at 12 at night. (^^)

Now, the weather is another problem (**)
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Re: Possibly NO flying for microlights during World Cup

Postby Wargames » Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:03 pm

As from tomorrow no t&g at cape town international anymore. As I understand, all schools there grounded with no training flights allowed.

The question is: Why, and why now?? :( :(
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Re: Possibly NO flying for microlights during World Cup

Postby flying-i » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:24 pm

Hey Wargames

Check facts dude. It is only from 16h30 to 21h30 (ZULU) while there is a game on...and it will be DARK anyway!!

The SAAF and ATNS (file2fly) people are efficient and helpful- flown almost every day with no problems.

I think the authorities have gone the extra mile to accommodate us... vhpy
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Re: Possibly NO flying for microlights during World Cup

Postby bobthebuilder » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:31 pm

Yeah .... same this side.

I filed a flight plan for a flight last Sunday from Parorama to Witbank and back, and had absolutely no problems at all. In fact, it was a pleasure. (^^)

The airspace was quiet. I guess most folks either opted not to bother with the red tape, or they stayed in bed because the weather wasn't great.
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Re: Possibly NO flying for microlights during World Cup

Postby Wargames » Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:05 pm

flying-i wrote:Hey Wargames

Check facts dude. It is only from 16h30 to 21h30 (ZULU) while there is a game on...and it will be DARK anyway!!
I will have an conversation with my informant.

On the SAAF, no problems there for me too.
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Possibly NO flying for microlights during World Cup

Postby John Young » Fri Jun 18, 2010 6:02 am

Hi,

Have had no probs with the FAC.

Can't fly 2 hours before a game taking place in your nearest city or within 10 NM of a stadium without transponder - otherwise no issues. No flight plan - unmanned to unmanned - route is local - apply for 08h00 to 14h00.

The SAP at the airfield are a hoot - no further comment until after the SWC. ##
Kosie on Avcom wrote:
We had a very fruitful meeting at the Joint Operations Command Center this afternoon. It was attended by amongst others captain Colin Jordaan, general Andre Pruis, deputy police commisioner and general Les Lombaard, SAAF. Very significant concessions regarding the flight restrictions were made. Check tomorrow's notams. We believe further relief is under way. The authorities were told in no uncertain terms that they had breached our trust and confidence and they undertook to work at restoring that trust. The meeting was conducted in a friendly, courteous and civil manner and will be followed up next week.
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Re: Possibly NO flying for microlights during World Cup

Postby RV4ker (RIP) » Fri Jun 18, 2010 7:53 pm

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Re: Possibly NO flying for microlights during World Cup

Postby JCH » Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:19 pm

John Young wrote:
No flight plan - unmanned to unmanned - route is local - apply for 08h00 to 14h00.
I've just confirmed with a senior person at File2Fly regarding the requirements for flight plans unmanned to unmanned.

E.g. Flight Microland - Delmas - Microland with landing in Delmas (engine off)
Two FAC codes required - one for each flight
No Flight plan to be filed due to the fact that the flights are between two unmanned airports and in uncontrolled airspace (JHB Special Rules East).

They also advised to extend the requested time on the FAC as John Young suggested.
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Re: Possibly NO flying for microlights during World Cup

Postby goldie » Fri Jun 25, 2010 7:02 am

Hi,
There seem to be so many different reports on this issue of FPL's
FAC's no problem. We fly from a private strip in Hekpoort in the Magalies GF.
If we want to fly from here around the patch and land back here do we need to file a flight plan?
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