Advise on Illegal flying required

[mario.kruger]

There is a lot of thing that is illigal in this rainbow nation and it is sad that aviation is going the same african way.I can only see more of these things to come.Thumbleweed have the right mindset go and talk

[mario.kruger]

Koevoet! as jy a passie het vir vlieg sal niks jou keer nie.nie eens n telefoon draad nie.solank jy nie ander mense se lewe in gevaar stel nie,is jy meer as welkom om jouself in jou moer in te vlieg op jou eie plek.ek gee nie om nie.Ek ken ouens wat 8 Jaar lank sonder lisensie vlieg wat n goeie pilot is ,was even by microland gewees vir lank onder almal se teenvoordigheid baie het vir hom ge-cover.maar dit bly steeds illigal ne.

[Koevoet]

solank jy nie ander mense se lewe in gevaar stel nie

We don't have control over that.

No, belief me, i have the passion but not the moela (i can wait), but ill rather take the legal way, much safer.

[Morph]

This happens more regularly than we realise. A lot of guys started flying way before there were any regulations and CAA. In fact in the early days, if you built it, then you flew it, nobody else. The boys would bring out the chairs, sit along side the runway and wait for the sports.

I don't have an issue if they fly on their own farm in the Karoo and don't affect anyone else. If they start creating problems then you either talk to them yourself or report it to CAA. I don't think the police will be much help here

The one thing they don't realise is, if they crash and die, and the insurance company sniffs that they were illegal then it gives them motivation to not pay out benefits.

Using the car analogy, I would not report someone if their licence had expired, but if they were a reckless pain in the arse endangering others then I would.

[Choppie]

Mario,

I think we all feel like that some time in our lives. It is just that this guy is probably not licenced not because it lapsed, he is most likely not licenced from the word go.

I know of self taught pilots, who by trial and error figured out how to fly. That is not the problem BUT, it is only one part of the equation to AVIATE is not the problem. The next important component is to COMMUNICATE and to NAVIGATE. And with these missing is is entirely possible that this guy may be putting a whole lot of peoples lives at risk. If it is a microlight, the likelyhood of being spotted is largely reduced - espsecially if the visibility is "marginal" (or minimums for VFR). I have seen on the Cherokee 140, which is not significantly faster than most microlights, that is becomes difficult to spot microlights. If no one says anything, somewhere some day the bigger aircraft will collide with the smaller one, and most likely kill all occupants.

No, to sneak one in on the system is to risk other peoples lives, and that cost is intolerable.

[mario.kruger]

your'e right the best way is to do it the right way.So to all the illigal pilots start now its never to late.you will enjoy it even more if its legal

[kraaines]

Confucius said. . .

when you feel the shadow of a pigeon (flying overhead) on your face, fight the urge to look up!

If you fly illegal. . keep in mind , many eyes are looking up.

[Kalahari]

If you want to fly where you are not posing a risk to fellow aviators, help yourself, but once you are involved in an accident you spoil the reputation of the whole microlighting community, it make the rest of us look like a bunch of lawless bastards.

I recall the accident of Arrie Meyer, late aerobatic pilot that died in a crash not far from Nelspruit the day after an airshow a while ago who's license was expired at that stage and during the investigation CAA did not care about what a good pilot he was, they made it very clear in the accident report that he was flying without a valid licence and that unfortunately overshadowed his good reputation as pilot when the public read the report.

Another incident was when a 21yr old pilot from Bloem died in a trike crash with a 10yr old pax 4 years ago near Keimond in a trike without a valid ATF. It has done irrepairable damage to the image of the Tempe microlighting community.

I can not understand that a person is willing to spend thousands on an aircraft of their choice but they are not prepared to spend a fraction of the cost on obtaining a legal license or an ATF.

Ban them of the face of the earth!

[Stephan van Tonder]

An even bigger problem is your left behind family as your life insurance simply won't pay out

[skybound®]

An even bigger problem is your left behind family as your life insurance simply won't pay out

Bang on the numbers Stephan. This is always the acid test example I use - not to mention your medical aid, income protection etc if you are still alive.

Only thing is lately I am not sure how closely the insureres follow the official outcomes. For instance thinking back to a recently released heli accident that found the pilot to be flying at night without a valid night rating. Now with that report taking the 3 or so years to be published - did the insurerers take that long before they paid out for the craft? I have not heard of anyone waiting for their insurance money (in non fatal accidents) for much longer than a month or two.

[priester]

Na al die histerie,

Is dit bo twyfel vasgestel dat die ou sonder lisensie vlieg?
Is radio kommunikasie 'n vereiste?
Wie se versekering is al in sulke omstandighede geweier?

Vra maar net

[Gyronaut]

Priester,

Dis nie histerie nie, dis die wet. Ja radio kommunikasie is 'n vereiste.
Die wetteloosheid van die res van Suid Afrika het 'n reuse negatiewe impak op ons daaglikse lewens, kom ons doen alles wat ons kan om die wetteloosheid uit ons gedisiplineerde sport uit te hou asb.

Len

[RV Sometime]

A few questions have arisen

Is the pilot illegal
Does he do radio calls
Is he flying in the pa gf

If the allegations are true, all microlighters get tarred with the same brush. If this guy has an incident or accident, the general publics perception is that we are all wallies.

If he is based a couple of miles north of the field, he falls slap bang into one of the busiest gf's in the country. He should be making radio calls. I would find him & have a quiet chat with him. Is it that much of a big deal to do your mpl or bring it back to currency. I would far rather do everything to the letter of the law & fly with peace of mind.

The other aspect is that in the event of a midair for instance & he is illegal & people perished in both craft, if he is illegal, his poor family will be left in serious trouble because of 3rd pary claims against the illegal guy.

Is it worth it?????????????

[coastwise]

RV Sometime.

Apparently no lisence, never ever bothered to get one.
He pops up about 3 miles from the airfield about to the north east.
Flys to within 1.5 to 2 km of the airfield, guys in the tower see him.
No radio calls or responce when tower tries to contact him.
You are right about the busiest GF in the country, with about 300 aircraft movements per day.
Port Alfred's GF has been increased all the way up to the N2 just outside Grahamstown now for the northern sectors.
This guy's takeoff point doesn't fall within the GF, it falls within the ATA which is 5 nautical miles around the airfield.

[RV Sometime]

Slightly NE of the field, man that is a dangerous place to be. The navex excercises coming back from faqt follow that point of entry into the gf. This is madness. I know the area extremely well & have often had to deviate for wx & pop in under the king to grahamstown ridge below cloud low level, often at 180 plus kts. I would have a heart attack if this unnanounced guy was ploughing the skies with me. Does he ever go up to say 1500 feet agl, if so we are going to read obituaries, sadly it would involve an innocent law abiding pilots life too.