HKS engine.

[Wargames]

Hi
Solowings are now selling the Aquilla with the option of the HKS for about R200 000.00.
If Aidan has tested it and he's happy well then they must be pretty good.
They consume about 7-9 Litres per hour!
Certinly they are starting to look like a good option with all this stupid CAA - Rotax business.
Check out their site http://www.solowings.co.za

Ross

I don't believe the fuel consumption. The say on windlass 502 it is 10l/h dual, I get 15, and so does most. I would like to see real stats though.

Regards,

[ZULU1]

Sorry sir fuel consumption is correct !! Before I played with mine solo 6 litres dual 10 litres. Talk to any of the competition chaps...great motor. Hectic compression !!

Ciao Zulu1

[Flooi]

Nou kom julle reg!

It's about time someone started thinking. Rotax is just NOT worth it anymore with the R/E exchange.

I've owned Rotax 912, 912S, 912Xtra and 582 as well as VW, Jab and Continental engines and I am convinced that
Rotax does not rule anymore. For any Major Rotax repairs, one has to travel and repair and parts cost is ridiculous.

For Jabiru, I only phone and the technician comes to my hangar and this costs me a pre-determined fixed rate
for kms and per hour work.

When I had a problem with VW, due to my own negligence; VW fundi came over, removed the engine, and after
a reasonable quote, brought it back, refitted it and test flew the plane.

HKS, Jabiru and BMW have sorted out their problems. I believe there are more options.

The best of the Rotax line is probably the 80hp 912. I cannot even guess what a new one would cost today.

[John Boucher]

A 912UL and a 912ULS with all the bells and whistles costs a serious packet! Seriosly not affordable anymore!

[Trikenut]

A Rotax 912 UL or 912s cost around R150 000.00 new with no instruments, from Aviation Engines & Accessories

[bosbok]

912 UL=R159 000
912 ULS=R180 000

How much is the HKS ? The 85hp Jabiru=R106 000 (TBO=2000hrs)

[Trikenut]

The HKS from the states costs $9371.00.
Has a TBO of 800 Hours.
This price is for the basic engine no exuast, oil tank!

[John Boucher]

Where are all the import fundis....

Isn't that about R 100 000 large ones?

[grostek]

Rand Dollar exchange rate = 8.10 this morning

$9371 x 8.10 = R 75905.10
Add VAT R 10626.71
Freight Approx $1200 = R 9720.00
Customs Clearing Fees Approx $100 = R 810.00
Approx Total R 97061.81

This is an approximate cost, best to contact someone like Safmarine or a Freight forwaring company who have ships running between USA or wherever and SA and ask them to give you a quote.

They will want to know the Crate dimensions and weight.

If you want to get it here chop chop by airfreight well go fetch some more loot from Sun City or Ceasars or your bank.

Best to buy from an agent in SA who will also look after any claims.

Buying from the agent is almost always cheaper, because they import in bulk and save on freight charges that way.

You also save yourself the moermeter pressure when dealing with Customs Clearance etc.when trying to do it yourself.

There is however nothing to stop 10 or more like minded individuals from this forum from getting together and importing in bulk.

When doing this dont run to the agent and expect him to sort out warranty claims etc when you run into problems because he will tell you you have a grey import.

Just my 2c worth

Kind regards,

Gunter Rostek.

[John Boucher]

Okay, someone is going to moer me now....

Considering above... it seems almost better then to buy a proven motor like a Jabi 2200 85hp engine?

I wouldn't even consider the HKS then being a 2-cyclinder - all in all.....

[grostek]

Dare I say "Bingo"

Have come to the same conclusion but still keep thinking about the BMW.

Looked at the BM again last night and it seems to be about 64Kg all in with gearbox exhaust ie a running engine,right up there with the Jabi 2200 in terms of weight but with 15 more horses (claimed).

Found out weights so far for running engines.

Rotax 582 57.17Kg (scrounged from the net) 65HP

HKS 57.38Kg (scrounged from the net) 60HP

BMW Approx 64.00Kg (as per Takeoff website) claimed 100HP

Jabiru 2200 61.00Kg (as per Installation Manual JEM2202-4 ) 85HP

When buying a big ticket item like an engine it pays to keep the whole picture in mind, not just Kg or HP.

For me the most important indicator would be
"How many are flying world wide" why this question?
because the consumer is seldom wrong.

Do the research ,do the sums and then make your choice.

Kind regards,

Gunter Rostek

[ZULU1]

Strange regarding pricing buy I found this :

http://www.recreationalmobility.com/cgi ... 35073.html

I think HK Power were doing a trade in at some stage also ??

It is also a time tested motor as in the beginning there were some disasters !!

My installed weight over a 582 is 3 Kgs more but I carry 20 litres less fuel for the same trip.


Zulu1

[Griffin]

My installed weight over a 582 is 3 Kgs more but I carry 20 litres less fuel for the same trip.

Has any one worked out what the cost of ownership is over the life of the different motors? I did a comparison between the 912 and the 582 and the 912 was far cheaper over its lifetime when you took the cost of fuel, crank replacement into consideration. I suspect the HKS will win if you consider TBO and fuel.

[grostek]

I received a quote from Roy Gregson on the 23 May.

I was asked to keep the price confidential as it was a special price. (Dont ask me why it should be kept confidential)

All I will say that there is not much change out of 100 big ones left over.

To be fair though the Rand has gone south big time in the last 3 months and these motors are imported on an as required basis so the price wll keep going up as the Rand falls. The same will obviously also be true for the Jabiru.

Still looking at the BMW. and if the Rand goes further south then will have a look at a Volla again.

Yes I know Vw's are not accepted in certain quarters as engines, only as boat anchors, but strangly enough in Europe there are more than 4000 VW 'sflying and VW's have been flying reliably for over 50 years with no big hassels.

A Volla is only as reliable as its cooling system.

The search continues.

Gunter Rostek

[Flooi]

Gunter

Just a personal opinion: Many might disagree: I had a few VW aircraft.
The Type one seems to run smoother than the Type four.

Never, never, never run it if the ignition timing is not 100% correct:
You will only make one circuit.

They seem to last longer on Avgas

Change oil every 20 hours. Use ONLY good quality oil: Helix

Do NOT mess around to get more performance. It is not a performance engine.
If it runs well, leave it alone. Stop fiddling.

Ensure temps are in the green. Do NOT power up a cold engine.

Last year I had a major done on a type four VW engine. Virtually the whole engine
was replaced. It cost me R11K. Eric Addison assembled it, fitted it and test flew the aircraft (Zodiac)
I sold it to a fellow who did his whole PPL in it and it is still purring like a kitten.

I know of a Type One VW that has done more than 1000hrs without a hiccup.

So if the Rand drops all the way, I'd rather fly VW than be grounded.....

A VW engine that is CORRECTLY fitted, could last as long as any other. Sure it's not a
Rotax or a Jabiru; but the price is right.

Just an opinion.

Regards..................