CAA Aircraft Registration- PPL vs MPL

ICEMAN · Postby **ICEMAN** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 7:27 pm

I understand that CAA registers aircraft into the MPL or PPL catagory according to the weights- what i cant get my head around is how the same aircraft type can be registered as either- obviously the weight changes- but how does a person actually change the weight to change catagories........ do you physically remove or add non essential items, do play around with fuel weights- or promise never to exceed taking passengers of a certain weight?

I have my eye on a plane on the market that is currently registered as PPL- however i do know of similiar models that have been registered as MLP..... can it be re-registered as an MPL? how does one do this??

Postby **John Boucher** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:05 pm

Difficult ground he be treading on now....

Currently eg. Cheetah MPL MTOW - 450kg's
Cheetah PPL MTOW - 560kg's

This is all about to change with RPL around the corner with 600kg's & 2 seaters being one of the criteria I think!

skybound® · Postby **skybound®** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:10 pm

Most of the aeries in that category will be the okes that receive the letter in June to indicate the change to aeroplane. (Not all - but most)

But also need to take into account the LSA that may or may not be in place at that time. I have not read the new proposal for LSA - I am just about all reg read out for the current 12 months - think I am past my F&D time for reg reading

Postby **Morph** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:14 pm

Max weight is one thing. What they are looking at now is the max empty weight.

A microlight is limited to a max empty weight of 260Kg.

The aircraft will be registered as a NTCA ULAC(Ultralight aircraft). If it is under the 260kg min and you do not exceed the 450KG max you may fly it on an MPL licence. If the plane exceeds the 260 KG empty or you exceed the 450kg max weight then you need a PPL to fly it. But you may fly a microlight on a PPL licence. It is possible to have it registered as both

Also if it was previously registered as a NTCA non ULCA but is under the 260 kg then you may easily register it as an ULAC. Otherwise not.

ICEMAN · Postby **ICEMAN** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:51 pm

If it is under the 260kg min and you do not exceed the 450KG max you may fly it on an MPL licence. If the plane exceeds the 260 KG empty or you exceed the 450kg max weight then you need a PPL to fly it

.............. Ok, but how does one physically change the weights for identical models to meet one catagory or the other, i know of quite a few makes/model that can be registered as either ..... on an MPL licence do you solomly swear not to transpost cargo or pax or fuel that exceeds 450 kgs...... my question is: how do you take two of the same type of aircraft and make one an MPL and one a PPL on the register- ???

Postby **Morph** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:59 pm

you pretty much solemly swear.

Assume a max empty weight of not more than 260 KG which can be registered as either (some training schools have them registered as both) and the aircraft in case has been tested and approved to the two MAUW's

then if you have a MPL you are limited to not more than 450KG MAUW. If you have a PPL you can fly it to the heavier 540kg MAUW. The same plane.

The heavier you go on the same model the lower the g ratings become i.e. at 450kg it might be rated to +6, -4g and at 540KG the rating will be say +5.5, -3.6 g

ICEMAN · Postby **ICEMAN** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:16 pm

Ok, that i understand- so its pretty much "self regulated" ie the PIC is responsible to ensure that (if registered as MPL), he would not exceed the weight even if it is safe to do so........

Postby **John Boucher** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:13 am

My Cheetah is registered as both - X254 & Z194

Can be used for MPL & PPL training!

ICEMAN · Postby **ICEMAN** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:41 am

BAD NAV wrote:My Cheetah is registered as both - X254 & Z194

Can be used for MPL & PPL training!

See, now there you have confused me again

......... so, a suitably convexed MPL pilot could climb in and fly if its total weight was less than 450kgs..... but if the same plane was loaded a little heavier he could not??

Postby **Morph** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:53 am

yes, stupid isn't it

Now because most of the modern 3-axis planes are faster, heavier, more powerful etc than the original 3-axis microlight of yesteryear (ala Skyfox and Mac CDL) it has become neccessary to alter the licence and thus training for these planes.

The new light sport class will basically put all of these planes into this new catagory, allowing a MAUW up to 600kg. There is no max empty weight. Then you would need a sport pilot's licence or higher, i.e. a PPL, etc to fly it. This might come in June/July this year

ICEMAN · Postby **ICEMAN** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:01 am

Ok got it

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Postby **John Boucher** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 1:37 pm

So Morph... you going to do the SPL / RPL whatever... to fly your Baby?

Postby **Morph** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 3:53 pm

Yes will definately go the SPL route.

Boet · Postby **Boet** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:09 pm

WHEN? I think they should have made the licence available before starting to bugger around with the aeries. Cart in front of the horse??

Boet · Postby **Boet** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:13 pm

Oh..... I see.

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