New Licence requirements....

[FAWGie]

Having spent an hour or three reading the regs (27th amendement), with specific focus on....

SUBPART 2: RECREATIONAL PILOT LEARNER’S CERTIFICATE
62.02.1 Requirements for recreational pilot learner’s certificate
62.02.2 Training
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62.02.3 Theoretical knowledge examination
62.02.4 Certificate of competency
62.02.5 Application for recreational pilot learner’s certificate
62.02.6 Issuing of recreational pilot learner’s certificate
62.02.7 Period of validity
62.02.8 Privileges and limitations of recreational pilot learner’s certificate
SUBPART 3: RECREATIONAL PILOT LICENCE
62.03.1 Requirements for a recreational pilot licence
62.03.2 Application for a recreational pilot licence
62.03.3 Issuing of a recreational pilot licence
62.03.4 Period of validity
62.03.5 Privileges of the recreational pilot licence
62.03.6 Maintenance of competency
62.03.7 Requirements for the issue of a category rating
62.03.8 Requirements for the issue of an additional class rating
62.03.9 Requirements for the issue of an additional type rating
62.03.10 Requirements for the issue of a special purpose rating

I cannot find any reference to the actual requirements regarding training hours required..... for either weight shift or fixed wing aircraft....

Anyone out there found detail?

[3wheels]

Hi FAWgie,

I pulled this off MISASA website, There seems to be no set out law as to how many hours, just a guide of 25 hours.

There is a CAA requirement for renewals ( 10 hours )





To legally fly a Microlight in South Africa, one must be in possession of a valid MPL (Microlight Pilots License) and Radio Operators license.

To obtain a license, the would be pilot, if his nerves last after a few test flights, must enrol at a flight school which has been granted the necessary licenses by the CAA (Civil Aviation Authority), and receive training from a MISASA (Microlight Section of the Aero Club of South Africa) approved flight instructor.

The training typically requires a total of about 25 hours flying (about 10 hours thereof dual, and the rest solo), and all the relevant ground courses (weather, engines & airframes, airlaw, navigation, theory of flight, radio procedure).

At the beginning of the training, the student must have a medical examination, and apply to the CAA for a student license. After the training, he/she must have a series of flight tests by an instructor other than the one who did the training, and pass written exams on the ground courses, as well as obtain a radio operators license from ICASA. If all tests and exams are passed, the student can apply to CAA for a Microlight Pilots License (valid for the type on which he/she has trained).

This is valid as long as the medical certificate is valid for (5 years from date of examination ). Every five years the pilot must have a further medical examination. If the student/pilot is over 40 years old, the medical must be renewed every three years. If he passes this, and can prove (by means of log book, or form signed by an instructor) that he has flown 10 hours in the previous year, the license will be renewed by CAA to the date of expiry of the new medical examination.

Medical examinations must be made by a CAA approved doctor, and include complex sight and hearing tests, as well as a strenuous ECG (which is nearly the death of me every year, watching my heart rate increase into the red line on some high tech machine and wondering what a heart attack would feel like!). The medical test is then sent with the licence application to CAA and a licence will be issued.

[Morph]

3wheels, Fawgie, an Instructor is aware of this.

What he is asking is the requirements for the new Recreation Pilots Licence that will allow up to 600Kg MTOW. It's supposed to be introduced in July 2008

[RV4ker (RIP)]

Was told it 35 hrs, but can't say I have seen it anywhere...

Basically as I have it
MPL 25hrs (strict < 450kg's as well as 260 and the speeds which I can't remember off hand) only 10 hrs to higher license?
RPL/SPL 35hrs (as above but <600kg's only 2 place, speed restrictions and no retract or VP props) Don't know about hrs, but assume 10hr will also apply. Can fly ML aerie (3 axis) if rated on it without needing MPL.
PPL 45hrs (Fly anything above)

[3wheels]

FAWGie and Morph, Ifeel sooooo

Thanks

[FAWGie]

3Wheels and others, thanks for the input....

The way that I understand the new legislation is there is ONLY the sports and recreation license which covers Gyros, Microlights (weight shift & conventional), gliders, etc.... (Next license is the PPL, then COM, then ATP)

The scary bit is this came into LAW on the 1st January 2008, which means that we are already goverend by it.

I have read through the document, but there are no specifics w/r/t the actual hours of training required per segement (Dual, solo or license requirement)

The class rating will be a great plus, but there are other items that will tighten things up somewhat.....

I was hoping that someone had come across a more recent document outlining the hours aspect married to the new part 62 regs.

By the way, 3Wheels, some of the info on the Misasa web site is incorrect....

and receive training from a MISASA (Microlight Section of the Aero Club of South Africa) approved flight instructor.

an Instructor needs to be licensed with CAA and does not need the approval of Misasa....of course it would be nice if all Instructors worked through Misasa, but that is not a law requirement.....

[RV4ker (RIP)]

Fawgie
Under correction I asked CAA guys this question and they said it had been delayed till June/July? It not legislation yet and there will still be MPL category I am told which will govern 3 axis below 450kg's. 3 axis MPL will not fall away.

[Morph]

Somewhere else they were talking about 45hours, as with PPL but MPL ground school, MPL medical and no IFR? requirement, which apparently is a new requirement for PPL?

No body knows, it will be promulgated behind closed doors with no input from us and we will be in a battle again.

They need a grandfather clause. If you already have many hours on type, like 50 or more then it is just a checkride, some paper work and away you go.

[Morph]

FAWGie and Morph, Ifeel sooooo

Thanks

no problem,

[FAWGie]

Fawgie
Under correction I asked CAA guys this question and they said it had been delayed till June/July? It not legislation yet and there will still be MPL category I am told which will govern 3 axis below 450kg's. 3 axis MPL will not fall away.

I had heard the same, but the fact remains that despite CAA's sentiments now, part 61 was Gazetted as law on the 1st January 2008, therefore the legal sysytem as well as Insurance Companies are not going to accept that CAA has "delayed implementation"...CAA has no legal rights to delay anything that parliment put into law.....

It's all too confusing at the moment......

[skybound®]

Exactly Fawgie - what right do CAA have to say implementation delayed without some legal process? Basically they suggested that all will be resolved by June.
( http://www.avcom.co.za/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=27451 )

I have my doubts if they will even meet that deadline - if the CATS (specfically CATS-FCL-62) have not even been circulated for comment.

And then if it is good for the goose - then it be good for the gander - if we just feel that we are not ready - can we also just choose not to comply?

Really irritated with all this crap.

[RV4ker (RIP)]

Exactly Fawgie - what right do CAA have to say implementation delayed without some legal process? Basically they suggested that all will be resolved by June.
( http://www.avcom.co.za/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=27451 )

I have my doubts if they will even meet that deadline - if the CATS (specfically CATS-FCL-62) have not even been circulated for comment.

And then if it is good for the goose - then it be good for the gander - if we just feel that we are not ready - can we also just choose not to comply?

Really irritated with all this crap.

Ditto. Have spoken to a couple guys inside CAA and they seem to think even 2009 is ambitious....

[Boet]

Now how the hell can they impliment the law on 1st of January when the "Sport pilots licence will only be available from June. Already everyone flying a 3 axis "microlight" aerie is doing so "illegally" already. Of het ek nou die kat aan die gat beet??

[FAWGie]

Of het ek nou die kat aan die gat beet??

More like a whole neighbourhood of cats

[C205]

More like you let the cat out of the bag! Or perhaps you've swung the cat?