MPL and PPL on one plane ?

[Slabfish]

I have a PPL and MPL C grade instr. I find it hard to part with my hard earner money to H/Fly a blik for a couple of hrs every year to keep up my PPL . Also have to look for a PPL instructor and plane to do my renewal flight test every second year. I remember a couple of years back I could use half of my MPL hrs as time towards my PPL currency hrs , and in fact did my PPL renewal that way . Now i am thinking of a shortcut here .Can I register my JORA microlight into both ,microlight and ppl category at the same time ? That would simplify things for me a lot . I met a guy 3jrs ago that had a Tecnam Echo registered in both ,microlight and ppl category . Now he said to me it can be done, although he was a very recourceful person and would probably get things done most of us wouldn`t . If I do get the Jora registered in both categories , I would have to get a PPL instructor rated on it , how do you do that with only MPL instructors rated on the JORA at the moment ?
So many questions . All suggestion and ideas welcome

[Morph]

Try giving Peter Mulle-Brunke at Wings Over Africa in Cape Town a call. He trains from Delta 200 near Melkbos. I understand he trains both ppl and mpl on his Jabiru so he must have it registered on both

Peter 08too 8oh7 4919

[Slabfish]

Morph thank you for the quick response ,that sounds great if it can be done as it will simplify things a lot for me :D . I will give Peter a call.

[RV4ker (RIP)]

From what I understand it will be registered as NTCA and the instructor who signs your lo book will determine how you log the hrs. If Com instructor they PPL hrs if MPL instructor they MPL hrs. If like you both then I assume you can choose?

Cubby was used for PPL and MPL and is reg'd as NTCA

[Slabfish]

OK RV4ker, that sounds good , so all microlights will be registered as NTCA , or must i do a request for it at CAA ,and I can decide of the hrs I fly where I want to book it , in ppl or mpl , sounds great- :D , is this in place already or will it come with the new laws

[RV4ker (RIP)]

Check on Avdex. All aeries reg'd since old LS1 was replaced are NTCA. Trikes to Jets. If it does not have a type certificate it NTCA. Your license then determines what license you require?

Don't quiet follow this, but that the way I read it. Nowhere does it show MAUW which is only thing I think to determine MPL/PPL (450kg limit). I know there are other limits, but I don't know these off hand. No where on my ATF does it say anything about plane or micro/ultra lite aircraft? ANYONE?

Below Jora cert as eg from Avdex...
Cert is NTCA and ICAO is ULAC (Which I assume is Ultra Light AirCraft)

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[Slabfish]

I spoke to Hannes V S today and he said I rather ask Collette to find out exactly what the story, So if a/c is under 450 kg limit you can still fly it as ppl . I see what you mean on Avdex-I will see when our ATF comes back from CAA if it makes mention of "microlight" or not . If not and only wording is NTCA then you must be correct in your way of thinking
If so it will save the whole aviation community a lot of money , especially for comm hr building and so on. Might be a good idea to buy a couple of Joras for Hire and fly in the big city's . Thanx for the responses :D

[John Boucher]

Oh yes.... tis possible!

ZU-CXO - 560kg's - X254
ZU-CXO - 450kg's - Z194

Registered for both - TRAINING

I fly CXO with a PPL and can load it max fuel, my weight, some luggage and maybe a PAX.....

[Slabfish]

Looks like the Jora is not rated for ppl , only mpl . So only a/c that is approved by CAA for ppl can be flown on ppl + mpl if within specs.

[RV4ker (RIP)]

Slab
Contact Andre S, Braam H or Mike C directly. I am sure this is wrong. The Jorra was available as PPL aerie when I saw it at EAA Potch when ELMO was still agent many moons ago.

The aerie is simply a NTCA which may be flown with MPL if it falls into the MPL category (<260kg empty and 450kg MAUw), else it a light aircraft and thus needs PPL to fly. There are no MPL or PPL aeries (other than trikes which can not be flown on PPL). The only thing that dictates is the license you are allowed to fly it with. Some can be done with both MPL & PPL some only PPL..

If my understanding is correct the Jora can be used for both, but convex must be done by Com instructor to fly on PPL.

[RV4ker (RIP)]

www.jora.co.za spec's page lists Max Take Off Weight as 475kg's, so one could argue that it not allowed to be flown with MPL. I am convinced it can be flown with PPL and as long as MTOW is below 450kg's with MPL...