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Postby Rudix » Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:38 am

Chunky wrote:
BOER wrote:I feel that it is very unfair of the CAA to expect us all to comply and adhere to the law and then create a situation where most of us are unsure of what compliance is and what is not. If they dont know themselves they should at least set up a temperarory set of rules with a time limit so that we can at least have a period in which to get our planes compliant whithout having to fly illegally. What can we do about it? I am so confused that I am too scared to fly - One AP tells you one thing and the other something else. Certain AP's wont sign my plane out because I've done more than 300 Hrs and I know others will sign my plane out.
Hey Jacques

Its simple. If an AP signs out your plane with 300 hours or more without the crank exchange he is doing so illegaly. If you fly and have an accident, your insurance will NOT cover and your life insurance will NOT cover.

As to the time frame to get things in order...... These new rules have been in the pipe line for over 2 years. They have been discussed in the Panorama clubhouse for the last 2 years.

The easiest thing to do is put a new crank in and comply with the rules. there is no way of getting around it and the longer you put it off the more chance of getting into an expensive mistake.

Its a hard bullet to bite but there is no way around it. The CAA will not budge unless Rotax change their TBO hours.

A new crank is going to cost a few grand, just buy the thing and put it in.
I know one thing for sure:

I WILL NOT INSTALL A ROTAX IN ANY OF MY PLANES AGAIN !!

When the time comes to replace the crank (If I am forced to do so at 300h) or it is time to do expensive work on the Rattex I will replace it with a Jabiru, 2000h of peace.....

I know this is not an option for everyone BUT it will work out a lot cheaper, by the time you get to 300h or at the most 600h the Jabiru works out cheaper and that is not even taking fuel consumption into account.

And all this because of a silly 300h statement in the Rotax manual ?

What about me taking an old, clapped out BMW engine in a bike, converting it into an aero engine by bolting on a gearbox and flying it till it falls apart. There is no way CAA can force me to change that crank, not even in 10000h since the manufacturer did not put a silly 300h statement into a manual :evil:

Fly safe,
Rudi
PS, I already own a plane where the 582 was replaced with a Jabiru with great results, better performance, lower fuel consumption for the same weight !
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Postby Rudix » Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:47 am

And while I am in Rattax bashing mode.....

Don't think your lovely, EXPENSIVE 912/912S is much better, according to the latest from Rattax the TBO is now 1500h OR 5 years !

So if you fly 100h a year (That is 2 hours EVERY weekend the whole year) you will only have 500h on your 912 when the EXPENSIVE time arrives....

Rotax (and CAA), you are killing the sport.......

But, I live in hope and I think with the new blood at the CAA we can still fix this :wink:
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Postby skybound® » Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:56 am

Rudix wrote:TBO is now 1500h OR 5 years !
Wow :shock: Do you have a link to a doc with that TBO info - more on the calendar timex. That kinda sinks the 912 as being a cheaper alternative in the recreational field. Dont think there are many that do 300 hours per annum.
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Postby FAWGie » Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:26 pm

Most GA pilots do around 100 hours per year......therefore having to rebuild a 912 after 500 hours would work out VERY expensive per hour, not to mention the crazy effect it would have on used aircraft :shock:

Read this thread.... http://www.ultralightnews.ca/articles/912vs582.html
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Postby Neophron » Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:57 pm

:shock: Yes please :shock: !!!
Rudix can you please let us know where we can find this info....?
The info I have is 1500H or 10 years whichever comes first....(Depending on type 10, 12 or 15 years)
http://www.rotax-aircraft-engines.com/a_searchdoc.aspx
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Postby Rudix » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:22 pm

Neophron wrote::shock: Yes please :shock: !!!
Rudix can you please let us know where we can find this info....?
The info I have is 1500H or 10 years whichever comes first....(Depending on type 10, 12 or 15 years)
http://www.rotax-aircraft-engines.com/a_searchdoc.aspx
Thanx.
Ok, I am looking for it, saw it last night but did not take to much note of it since I do not own a 912 and I am not planning on owning one....

Will get back on this asap.

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Postby Chunky » Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:21 pm

I had this confirmed by rotax....

I have just purchased a SportCruiser, shipped from Czec Rep today actually.

Rotax confirmed 1500 hrs or 5 Years TBO.

Bit of a Bummer !!!
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Postby Morph » Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:46 pm

A new crank is going to cost a few grand, just buy the thing and put it in.
Nice, and while you are about buy us all one. Only a few grand, More like R28K to have it done and R14K if you are capable of doing it yourself.
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Postby Chunky » Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:10 pm

Dont get me wrong, I think it is alot of money to pay at only 300 hours. There is no getting around it. The CAA will not budge on the issue and Rotax certainly aren't going to change their stance.The only option is to put the new crank in if you want to remain legal.

If the CAA really look into this whole scenario the only thing that is going to happen is the air is going to get filled with Microlights with perfectly good engines flying around with no ATF's. I dont see many people not flying even though they know the legal implications.

Personaly I think they going to end up with more problems with people opening up perfectly good engines and replacing crankshafts.

If I had a 912 with 500 hours on it that couldnt get a ATF, off would come the registration numbers and nothing would change.

If you got the money change the crank if you dont have it fly with the old one. I dont think its really going to influence the microlighters much.
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Postby Henni » Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:08 am

Chunky wrote:The CAA will not budge on the issue...
Where do you get this information from? It certainly is contrary to everything being said by those who know better. Let's not make silly statements like these and jeopordize the whole thing. Rather take note of those not merely making assumptions, but being hard at work to change this for the better for all of us.

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Postby Chunky » Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:51 am

Henni

The only way the CAA will change it is if Rotax or someone suitably qualified tells them it is ok to carry on with the crank past 300 hours.

We all know its possible to continue using the crank way past 300 hours, but who will be the one to put their signature against it. When there is an engine failure and it causes a death and that person is now liable.

The local Trike manufacturers here in SA were given the opportunity to change the Maintanance schedule of the engines on their own trikes and declined.

The only way is if Rotax change their maintanance schedule. And I dont see that happening anytime soon.
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Postby Henni » Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:19 am

Chunky,

This issue has been debated to death over here already, especially i.e. with the Rotax manual warning that their engine can stop at any time (they are not liable for anything, neither beyond nor before 300hrs) - I can go on and on as I've read all of these debates.

I believe this CAN be changed and I firmly believe that this WILL be changed! Look and see.

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Rotax vs Jabiru....

Postby Captain Biggles » Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:36 am

We at Skyranger have opted to promote the Jabiru Motor in our products because of the following reasons....

1. The Jabiru has a much longer life if proper maintenance is carried out as per the Manufacturers recommendations....

2. The price of the Jabiru vs the Rattex....

3. Overall Maintenance Costs ie servicing the two.....the Jabiru is cheaper and most of the service parts ie Plugs, airfilters, oil filters can be bought at your local Midas Shop.

4. Simplicity...and ease of maintenance.....to name a few...

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Postby Chunky » Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:56 am

Just out of interest sake, has the CAA ever relaxed on recomended service schedules before?

Have they ever changed from teh manufacturers specs. If so then It may well be possible but I cannot recall so.

Food for thought. One of the new NTCA employees at CAA is changing all his schools aircraft over to HKS engines. I am sure that is an indication as to wether or not the rules can be changed. :(
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Postby Neophron » Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:57 am

Hi Guys

I have sent a PM to Niren about this 912 5 year BS!
Hope to hear from him soon.

Cheers :roll:

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