Training time: 3 axis MPL vs PPL

[Quentin Ferreira]

That is very very sad that the medical does not stay yhe same.......
i wonder what extra test are involved with the ppl medical??? Me and a Doc is not very good friends!!! Try and stay far far away!!!!
I am so scared for the medical i would rather stay with the 5 year period the longer the better!!!!!Took me 2 weeks to go for my medical!!!



Quentin Ferreira
ZU-ATP
Newcastle

[Morph]

There doesn't appear to be a huge difference between the two. Class II as a higher frequency and different intervals for specific tests

The main differences are
Eye, class 4 is less critical with the long distance vision requirements
Colour perception tests are not required for class 4
Audiometry (hearing) tests are not required for class 4
Stress ECG tests on class 2 but resting ECG for class 4


When I did my medical the doc took me through all the tests so technically it was a Class 2 but he wrote it down as a Class 4. I did all the hearing, clolour, Stress ECG everything. If your doc did the same maybe he can change the definition to Class 2 without having to retest.

[Quentin Ferreira]

Sound good.........

Quentin Ferreira
ZU-ATP
Newcastle

[Tumbleweed]

And if he whips out the latex glove, he's just a perv.

[Quentin Ferreira]

If he take out is glove i run!!!!!!!!!!

Quentin Ferreira
ZU-ATP
Newcastle

[Brian Young]

Hi to all please if you are not sure of the law or the facts dont try and answer some of these questions as it will just confuse the question even more call a reputable school for the answers or go to a registered school and ask if you may have a look at the Aviation regulation books or ask a school owner who is a "A" grade insructor, that way you should get a pretty accurate answer.
Regards
Brian

[apollolight]

Hi there for my two cents worth, I can certainly say that MPL flying and "PPL" are rather different having operated in both invironments.
The light weight of the classic type microlights like the thunderbirds and even the newer generation Jabs, Stings etc... require some deft handling notably in stronger and gustier wind conditions.
In my humble opinion and this is a general observation, I think that some MPL 3 axis pilots often have better stick and rudder skills as opposed to the typical PPL (trained in Cessna and Piper aircraft) , the PPL will have a better understanding in certain aspects of operational flying and procedures relating to the airspace system and radio navigation and instruments and extra controls such as manual mixture setup as this is an area that the PPL will be operating in mostly, and of course in night flying and basic instrument flying that a PPL will probably move onto. That said I've come across MPL pilots that are able to operate very effeciently in controlled airspace. Some better than PPL holders...
There really is no reason that an MPL holder cannot fly with the standard of a PPL in a similar inviroment of hours and similar conditions namely VFR, many 3 axis MPL's are approaching PPL hours for licence issue anyhow, many complete the PPL groundschool, the xcountry requirments are less but mostly all PPL exersises get covered. With the LSA type rating coming shortly the gap between PPL and MPL will narrow even more.

And yes I understand that one can get a max of 25 hours credit toward a PPL from MPL. If you went to a good school the upgrade to PPL will be pretty straightforward.

Landing a Piper Arrow in a gusty wind is no doubt easier than landing a Jab in the same wind. The lighter weight makes a huge difference.

After 500 hours in PPL/commercial type training I was humbled climbing into a Jabiru SP! I battled more to land the Jab and keep the ball in the middle than converting to an arrow!
So MPL pilots hold your heads high, strive to always learn more improve knowledge and technique and have the right ATTITUDE. All things being equal attitude levels the playing field! Of course getting the right instruction from the word go will lead to most of the above, don't cut corners on training and train at a good school.
And finally! Be honest with yourself: Are u going to obtain a commercial licence? Or want to fly at night? If not stick with MPL less medical hassles less costly, the soon to come LSA rating will exite u further as here one can with all the cost savings of mpl aircraft, fuel burn, maintenance, insurance and licence costs like medical frequency, mix will PPL types and fly away from them in many scenarious, heh, heh, please folk, no I'm not anti PPL at all (as a matter of fact I'm commercially rated and MPL rated and get a little irked when PPL and commercial pilots turn their noses up at mpl guys -we all fly) but I do think that the LSA rating and recreational licence is going to be most exiting for the flying enthusiast. I'm gratefull to the US for starting the LSA revolution!

[skybound®]

Wish I had said that

Worthwhile mentioning also that the credit of hours changes somewhat in Jan 2008. Especially regards weightshift guys, if you are considering doing a PPL conversion - now is the time.

[Morph]

Hi to all please if you are not sure of the law or the facts dont try and answer some of these questions

In that case go ahead and answer the question then. Everything quoted is from CAA, the regulations and consulting a training school.

[Brian Young]

Morph you must read what I wrote ok IF YOU ARE NOT SURE THEN DONT COMENT YOU WROTE IT APEARS????? QUOTE THE CARS THAT IS THE LAW NOT WHAT IT APEARS TO BE OK AND FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH THE CAA PERSONEL DONT KNOW THE LAW AS WELL, AS YOU CAN PHONE THREE DIFFERENT PEOPLE AT CAA FOR THE SAME QUESTION AND GET THREE DIFFERENT ANSWERS AND BY THE WAY WHO ARE YOU WHAT IS YOUR NAME AND WHAT FLYING EXPERENECE DO YOU HAVE ????

[John Young]

IF YOU ARE NOT SURE THEN DONT COMENT YOU WROTE IT APEARS????? QUOTE THE CARS THAT IS THE LAW NOT WHAT IT APEARS TO BE OK AND FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH THE CAA PERSONEL DONT KNOW THE LAW AS WELL, AS YOU CAN PHONE THREE DIFFERENT PEOPLE AT CAA FOR THE SAME QUESTION AND GET THREE DIFFERENT ANSWERS AND BY THE WAY WHO ARE YOU WHAT IS YOUR NAME AND WHAT FLYING EXPERENECE DO YOU HAVE ????

Hi Brian,

Why are you “SHOUTING”?

Regards
John ZU-CIB

[Duck Rogers]

Morph you must read what I wrote ok IF YOU ARE NOT SURE THEN DONT COMENT YOU WROTE IT APEARS????? QUOTE THE CARS THAT IS THE LAW NOT WHAT IT APEARS TO BE OK AND FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH THE CAA PERSONEL DONT KNOW THE LAW AS WELL, AS YOU CAN PHONE THREE DIFFERENT PEOPLE AT CAA FOR THE SAME QUESTION AND GET THREE DIFFERENT ANSWERS AND BY THE WAY WHO ARE YOU WHAT IS YOUR NAME AND WHAT FLYING EXPERENECE DO YOU HAVE ????

SHOUTING is rude. Uncalled for.......this is not Avcom

[Morph]

Brian

we are not here to fight, criticise, or attack. This forum is run by the members for the members. If you feel that something said is not right then you have all the right in the world to correct it. That's how it works. By just saying

Hi to all please if you are not sure of the law or the facts dont try and answer some of these questions

and then not correcting the facts doesn't help anybody.

The use of the word "appears", means exactly that, It appears to me that............ (this is my translation of the law as stated in the CARS.) Symantics. The intention is to invite those reading this to look into it themselves and if they feel it is incorrect then correct me.

As far as consulting a reputable training school, I did and consulted their CFI. If you can't trust his word, then who can you trust. I also consulted the doctor who does my flight medicals, been doing it for years and knows what he is talking about.

I am a flying enthusiast, who has been flying on and off since 2000, I am not an instructor, nor claim to be. If you want to email me you are welcome, the email button at the bottom of this message works and comes directly to me.

Now back to the real issue, If you feel that what I appeared to say is wrong, rectify it, tell us, we are all here to learn, don't just sit on the sidelines criticising and shouting at people.

BTW I really don't need to know who you are, how much flying experience you have and what you do for a living, it's irrelevant. Add value to the forum, simple.............

[Thunderboy]

Brian, go fly get some stress off
Tomorrow is Friday :D

[Tailspin]

Brian, go fly get some stress off
Tomorrow is Friday :D