Certain avcom subcribers are having a go at us again

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Postby Morph » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:42 am

The reason I posted this was not to bash AVCOM, but to highlight that things are being said about us and if left unanswered would we assumed to be fact.

As far as AVCOM is concerned it is a great forum, very informative, and a great bunch of guys, (the 99.3% of them that is) The other 0.7% need to be invited to come and experience the joys of really flying free for the first time in their lives.

In Bennie's words, "I really love you guys", group hug everyone :wink: :lol: 8)
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Postby Thunderboy » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:46 am

Yip

These 0.7% guys also forget a lot of PPL, and CPL, and airline pilots fly microlights secretly they probably wish they could do the hours we do compared to them
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Postby Boeing » Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:02 am

Apologies if I came across too strong Morph. :oops:

you make a good point with with regards to replying to clear up any confussion!
As far as AVCOM is concerned it is a great forum, very informative, and a great bunch of guys, (the 99.3% of them that is) The other 0.7% need to be invited to come and experience the joys of really flying free for the first time in their lives.

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Postby slysi » Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:23 am

Come on guys I think the AVCOM thread is being taken out of context. Please see my post:

"I must say that when I read Kevin's extract that was quoted on Microlighters.co.za I thought bloody idiot here we go again, MPL vs PPL. Now that I have read the full thread I must agree with Kevin that I think he posts have been wildly misinterpreted. Yes the origin of the thread was asking whether ML's should be allowed to fly IF but honestly that is where the association should end.

I clearly read Kevin's original post as stating that if any pilot were to be flying IF without the correct rating then they must carry on as they will quicjly remove themselves from the planet, this includes MPL's, PPL's, CPL's, GPL's, HPL's .....you get the picture. Similarly any twat that drives his Ferrari at 200 kmh will eventually kill himself and shame my heart pumps custard for someone like that.

Now guys, take a chill pill and kiss and make up"
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Postby John Boucher » Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:57 am

Could some give me a link to the thread in question please so that I could add my Zim 2 cents worth!

A lot of the chaps in AVCOM fly someone elses expensive blik. I also frequent the AVCOM chatroom and must say, mixing it up with a lot of chaps that are CPL's lets one feel rather diminutive. I would have loved to be a CPL but cannot because I am red/green selective colour blind. Thank goodness for that as maybe I would also then have aquired a holier than thou attitude towards microlighters ....

These guys forget that 99,9% of the aircraft in the microlight range beats the blik they fly hands down for in touch with flying and enjoyment factor.... oh, yes, the cost! Think about it, for every 4 or 5 hours we experience the joys of flying, they can only experience it for 1 hour ie. if they are paying the costs! Secondly, what fun is it to pop in menu selection of flight director and say go there?

I have a PPL and a lot of my flying buddies are MPL chaps.... much rather have fun with them than a high and mighty CPL!

I must say, I find it more comfortable in this forum than I do in AVCOM!
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Re: Certain avcom subcribers are having a go at us again

Postby RV4ker (RIP) » Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:13 pm

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Postby RV4ker (RIP) » Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:36 pm

My 2c on the issue.

Point all are trying to make with varying success is that Flying in IMC if you do not have or even are not current IF rating is very risky and possibly not worth it REGARDLESS of your chosed mode of transport. I know many do it and "make it" and possibly as many come home in the newspapers. WX does not discriminate between Micro's, Bliks, plastic etc.

Think Kev's post is valid based on the title Micro's in IMC. IMHO it a storm in a teacup. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I regularly fly a single engine NTCA at night which while legal is frowned upon by many of the uber pilots. My justification for this is that the risk of an engine out or structural problem resulting in possible fatal forced lob during the 1hr flight on Friday nights is well outweighed by the risk in driving the route which takes 4-5 hrs often encountering drunk drivers, trucks/taxi's with no lights etc. I have done the drive for 5 years and have had a couple near misses. Have done the flight for last 2 and other than the occation K@K landing have had no incidents. Much prefer the flight & IMHO well worth the risk given the state of the roads and drives on them in that aera. Similarly if you are aware of the risks and able to deal with them (like the round the world guys) it IMHO not a big deal. Point is that if you don't have the foggiest (sic) going to see what it looks like in a thunderstorm is possibly not the best idea.

Think what most are trying to highlight is that the risks are high, espcially when WX involved. WX kills regardless of hrs. There have been some well publisized prangs in PWV where HUGE hr uber pilots have succummed in expensive well equipped IF certified aircraft. Bottom line - As long as you are aware of the risks you are taking and are not flying off "into the clag to check it out".

As is human nature - Some just jumped on the bank wagon to micro bash. They will always be there, as there will be those who CPL bash. Fact of life and I doubt we will ever get away from it. We all make mistakes and flying is risky business. Think most are trying to use shock tactic to ensure all are aware of the risks you/they are taking.


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I am quiet enjoying the banter.... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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Postby kevinbark » Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:01 pm

Hi guys, please let me take a minute to clear things up here, because it seems that things have gotten out of hand in my absence over the weekend.

Firstly, I would like to assure you all of my total commitment to aviation in all of its forms, even helicopters :wink: . My whole career choice, especially choosing to document aviation as a full time job, stems from a deep seated passion for all things aeronautical- I eat sleep and breathe aviation every second of every day.

That said, in my current position, it would be totally idiotic and reckless to totally alienate myself from any sector of the aviation community, and I fear that in misunderstanding my post on avcom, I might be seen as doing just that.

My reference to rocket scientists in a derogatory fashion was aimed at those who fly microlights in IF conditions, as stated by the title of the thread. As one who is fascinated by everything that flies, I harbour none of the stereotypical generalisations toward any group of pilots, unless a pilot gives me a reason to do so, and then I will have a problem with him as an individual, not the rest of his group.

I am in full support of sharing the sky with any person who can do so responsibly, and safely, without sacrificing the major reason we should all be flying > THE FUN FACTOR.

So accept this as an apology if my intentions with my post were not clear enough.

I just feel so strongly about flying IF without a rating, because every year, it is the single greatest killer of pilots in this country, yet its always a perfectly serviceable machine that they die in. For people like this there is no cure. Unless they decide to look after themselves, no else else really can, because as I mentioned these guys arent always based at fields where there are eyes watching them arrive at night, in IF etc.

to be a safe pilot only you are your final regulator. only you really determine how safe you are, and only you have the final say over which side of the legal line you tread. Licenced aviators shouldnt need to be policed. Your sense of responsibility must become your policeman.

:idea:

ps: I am very far from one of those guys who pulls his nose up flying smaller aeries. I just want to fly, dont really care in what.

...but gyrocopters scare me> :shock:
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Postby RV4ker (RIP) » Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:12 pm

Hi Kev

Welcome to the home of the "FUN FACTOR" in local aviation.... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

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=D* =D* =D* =D* =D* Nice first post.
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Postby tsotsi » Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:19 pm

Thank you Kevin

Now stop crying and go flying :)
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Postby kevinbark » Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:20 pm

crying because im not flying...
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Postby RV4ker (RIP) » Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:30 pm

Kevin based at Durbs wings pub... (^^) (^^) (^^) (^^) :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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Postby kevinbark » Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:44 pm

That just about sums it up thanks for the kind words.

Full time mag journo, freelance pilot of various beechcraft products to put some bread on the table, but enthusiastic pilot of every thing else I can lay my hands on. Would give my eyeteeth for a bushbaby explorer, but eish, still gotta do a loooooooottttttt of freelance work for that dream to come true. How does that ad go?......one day.
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Postby John Boucher » Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:02 pm

Kevin.... =D*

Welcome to the Fun Factor Forum

Thank you for clearing that up and most noble if I might say so..... !!!!

The one thing we all should remember is that as PIC of any aircraft it is up to you to make that decision to fly or not to fly! The most important factor being SAFETY!

At the end of the day ( not trying to sound like Naas Botha ($$) ) we all share one common experience - FLYING!

Get Boet to give you a flip in an Explorer!

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Postby Morph » Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:20 pm

Thanks Kevin,

if you ever are in CT and if (this is the big if) I finally get the rest of my kit from Kitplanes :shock: , I'll take you flying in my Explorer

BTW I apologise for calling you a d#$s :oops:
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