260kg empty weight

[grosvenor]

2c is not worth very much any more, so I recon I can have another 2c worth for today

It would be great if CAA would just finalise the whole proposed NTCA regulations as well as this microlight/light sport issue.

I get fed up operating under a system where the rule of the day applies and it all depends who you talk to at CAA.

Imagine flying under a system where we all knew where we stand with regard the law.

Dave

[justin.schoeman]

what limitations are to be imposed on types of airspace?

It's all in www.misisa.co.za/Articles/28/

Here's a bit that I found...

Privileges and limitations of the type rating for light sport aeroplanes
62.16.9 (1) The holder of a type rating by name for light sport aeroplanes shall be entitled to act as pilot-in-command of the light sport aeroplane for which he or she is rated by name, or of any conventional microlight aeroplane for which he or she holds the appropriate class or type rating by name, provided it is not operated for the provision of an air service,

(a) within Class F and Class G airspace;
(b) within controlled airspace if -
(i) prior permission has been obtained from the responsible air traffic service unit to enter such airspace;
(ii) such two-way radio communication as the said unit may require, is established;
(iii) continuous radio watch is maintained; and
(iv) while within an aerodrome traffic zone, the appropriate radio position reporting procedure is complied with while such light sport aeroplane is within such aerodrome traffic zone.
(2) Notwithstanding the provisions of sub-regulation (1)
(a) the holder of a type rating by name for light sport aeroplanes may exercise the privileges of his or her rating for remuneration in an aircraft operated in terms of Part 96, provided he or she is the holder of a valid Part 96 authorisation issued in terms of Subpart 14 of this Part.

huh?

That is not a limitation imposed on a type of airspace. That is the standard blurb for all license types operating in controlled airspace...

(you must get permission before entering, and you must (be able to) follow instructions, and you must maintain a listening watch on frequency)

-justin

[grosvenor]

Justin, don't shoot the messenger! If you can find out anything else, feel free to post it. The info is to be found on the Misasa site. From what I have read there appears to be no airspace limitation other than the regular stuff as you pointed out.

I am not a Misasa rep, nor did I draw up the proposals. Just trying to shed some light on the way forward.

Dave

[justin.schoeman]

Yep, as far as I know, ANRs treat all piloted aircraft the same. Microlight, NTCA, and traditional tin cans.

The only additional restrictions I know of, are those listed on your authority to fly.

-justin

[John Boucher]

Yeah , Yeah , Yeah......

Try and explain that to an ATC at Lanseria.... " Sir, this is Cheetah ZU-CXO..... blah blah blah Type X254.... I am not transponder equipped... Request your joining and landing instructions please!"

Lets see if you'll get the Cheetah down on the ground there.....

[Mogas]

Where can I find a list of CAA type designators? Z.... and X....

[justin.schoeman]

Yeah , Yeah , Yeah......

Try and explain that to an ATC at Lanseria.... " Sir, this is Cheetah ZU-CXO..... blah blah blah Type X254.... I am not transponder equipped... Request your joining and landing instructions please!"

Lets see if you'll get the Cheetah down on the ground there.....

I have landed a microlight registered JABI there a number of times. Just file a flight plan - they will have a very hard time rejecting a scheduled landing .

-justin

[Morph]

Where can I find a list of CAA type designators? Z.... and X....

Check your licence. It will give you the Z designation for the aeries you are rated on

[Mogas]

Actually looking for the whole database Morph.

[RV4ker (RIP)]

It is on the CAA website. Can find it nw as the serch function does not work. Maybe drop them an email

[African Grey]

Just to add some fuel to the debate....

From the CAA website: "PART 24 – This part has not yet been promulgated." After having chatted to Lilith Seals, there are still serious translation issues into Zulu for this Part. When will it be promulgated....? ICAO complience is around the corner forthe CAA......pleased I'm not the one trying to sort the issues out.

Safe Flying.

[Ian]

Some info from the MISASA e newsletter :



New Recreation Pilot Licence regulations – Part 62

The CAA have informed us that the new regulations for recreation pilots which have been in the pipeline for more than 6 years will at last be rolled out by the end of July 2007. There are some changes which will affect everyone – details can be obtained from the new MISASA website in a few weeks time - or ask your instructor.

We are already drafting the first amendments – these suggested amendments (which will include the new Sport Plane category) will be published on the MISASA web site and sent to all instructors for their input at the end of March / early April.



Instructors seminar

An instructors seminar is being planned for June – the details of which will be sent out to all instructors by the end of April / early May. The seminar will be to update all instructors on Part 62 and to discuss amendments, the new Sport Plane category and various safety issues.

Promising ?

[Fairy Flycatcher]

micro=small
light=light

The rules are 260kg empty 450 kg MAW for an MPL. These are quite clear.

Why are you blaming CAA? Rather blame the dude that sold the aircraft to you as a microlight!!!

I might be wrong but I though the idea behind the weight restrictions are to keep aeries slow, small and limit range. So why ask for increase in minimum weight? Go do a PPL if you want to go far fast. (or buy a GT450 )

Hat coat door.

I wish I had said that !

Ditto.

I don't see the problem with doing your PPL if you want to fly the aircraft which fall in that category. You can say 'cost' but you have to do 15 hours of solo regardless of PPL / MPL, and in the end, most guys do 40hours plus on the Sting / Jabiru etc before they get their very limiting 'MPL' If you fly a Sting, you are more than capable of flying a Piper Arrow 200 after a 1.5 hour conversion. So why buy into a licence which is so limiting, at no real cost save? What, your medical every 1/2 years as apposed to every 3/5 years is going to sink you financially? Well then you certainly should not be flying a 500k aircraft.

In fact, if you own your own aircraft, the labour rate to the PPL school is on average a lot less than to an MPL school, so in this case, it will cost you less to get your PPL as apposed to the MPL.

My personal opinion is that MISASA is putting weight behind the sport licence, not because it is going to clear anything up, but because of financial interest of the chairman, with the new aircraft he is importing.

How much more gray area do you want to bring in? You have to read Part 62 to appreciate this. The sport plance licence will only shift grey areas, not get rid of them.

Aero Club/ MISASA have made a comlete hash of Part 62. They have rejected input from all instructors/ role-players and made changes without consultation. As far as I am concerned, Part 62, in its current format, is illigal, and I have made application to the Department of Transport to have it stopped because of that. If this document gets implemented, we are going to have a lot more of these discussions in future, as it is written so badly, and so out of touch, that it is open to abuse from far too many angles.

I have a lot more faith in CAA than I have in Aero Club and MISASA. I used to work hard for these bodies, but now I realise that they are small 'political kingdoms', and they are the primary cause for a lot of the confusion out there at the moment. They just manage to hide the fact through 'politics' i.e. selective communication. Blaming CAA...

Well, I will certainly rather get my Authority to Fly from CAA (about R 100, and quick) than from Aero Club (who won't yet tell us how much they are going to charge). Aero Club will be issuing your Authority to Fly from April, and we will see how much fun you will have then.

Ask around a bit, and from the more experienced guys you will get the same story...

[swiftprop]

:D In my humble opinion doing a PPL at a reputable school at a controlled airport is the way to go...

[Weg]

FF I seem to remember someone saying that even trike training requires close to 40 hours, so is there any point in a microlight licence (as opposed to a PPL) at all then? Why do people bother to do a microlight licence at all when they can still fly a trike with a PPL, especially if microlight school charge more than PPL schools?

Perhaps we should just have one licence and then get rated on whatever type of aircraft we wish to fly.