Flipping with low hours

[Dre'man]

Maybe when I have my licence, a few more hours to go I will make a firm descision. I think if you are going to take pax it must be with confidence, not overconfidence.

I am amazed however at the amount of people admittedly not involved in or understanding too much about aviation that want to know which day I am licencing on so they can come to the airfield for a flip. This includes my mother inlaw




Note to self, remember to hide seatbelt in pre flight

[Morph]

Getting experience is a good idea - however one must not get too used to the weight and conditions of only one up.

I agree fully. I know of guys who spend their next 50 hours flying solo and then they have a huge wakeup taking someone up again. Don't wait too long.

What is the rule with gliding I know once licensed you still have to get quite a considerable amount of hours in solo before taking a pax up

I can understand this one, less margin for error, no power to go around if neccessary.

[cobra]

To be honest , I never really enjoy taking a pax for a flip, maybe its "taking the responsibility" syndrome and then there are the unpredictable elements to live with. Had 50-60h SOLO before I gathered enough courage flipping my two precious ones.

Lucky they enjoy sleeping until 10:00 over the weekends never pressured with "I what to go with"

I don't think it is possible to even guess the min hours, just be sensible and understand the responsibilities

[Tower]

My 2 cents worth!

I agree with Morph on this one, and stats bare this out.

Leprechaun will have the exact numbers but reading a bit and some research the following pattern seems about right:

License to about 80 Hours, few accidents, many incidents, mainly on landing( Bent Axles, shattered nerves, new mud guards etc.)

80 to 120 hours, THE KILLING ZONE, most fatal accidents during this pedriod, reasons are numerous but include: Brave enough to try new things but not experienced enough to handle the plane should the sh!t hit the f@n. Happy to take pax, i.e. fatalities double because we are 2up. Pushing the envelope!!! Going on a club run and trying to play(match) with the big dogs(experienced pilots).

I am not a researcher, so, any thoughts?

[Smiley]

I would say at that point you should be ready to take a pax with. Again not a "Hulk". Don't overload the trike and your experience....! Start to fly with a pax weighing 60kg's or so

So soon I will be ready to take you in the GT450 hey Smiley

Howz about me taking you for a flip in your plane. I'll show you how to fly it....

[Bacchus]

Now if there is anybody thats ready for it now, it must be Rusty!
He flys where ever with us and land anywhere. Go for it!
Sadly i cannot join you gys this weekend......

[DieselFan]

80 to 120 hours, THE KILLING ZONE

I've already put it in my log book! I will not fly during these hours!

[cobra]

80 to 120 hours, THE KILLING ZONE

I've already put it in my log book! I will not fly during these hours!

[Gaylord Focker]

Six months experience or 50 hours at least in the air before considering to take somebody up like you said put safety first experience is whats needed and it cant be bought. :D :D :D :D

[GR8-DAD]

I don't like flying alone. Period. I want to share my experience with others and enjoy company when flying - also gives me some comfort. I prefer to have fellow pilots or trainees as pax until I have stretched my envelope a bit further.

I do not take pax up that do not understand and confirm the risks of flying. Sign those idemnity forms guys, I've seen two very good mates fight it out in court - frienship now ruined.

[Thunderboy]

80 to 120 hours, THE KILLING ZONE

I've already put it in my log book! I will not fly during these hours!

It reminds me of when Van heard that most car accidents happen within 30kms of home - so he moved house

[Tailspin]

When i got my License the first thing Bill Anderson said to me was, now go fly another 10 hours alone in the circuit and then you can take up passengers etc. Those extra 10 hours after my license were about the biggest learning curve i had experianced and i am still very grateful for that.

First get to know the aircraft and then slowly start to progress don't be in a hurry. All will come in time

[Aerosan]

It reminds me of when Van heard that most car accidents happen within 30kms of home - so he moved house

:LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:

I think it is ok to take passengers but stick to the one`s at the flying field. Firstly they know what they are getting themselfes into and secondly they are always a help should you have a "moment" Taking non flying family and friends will come later. I do not think you xcan put a time to it. You WILL know when the right time has arrived. (if you are hounest with yourself)

my 2 000 000 zim$ worth

[Bacchus]

Ok , lets be honest here.
I said i PROMISED myself to fly at least another 20 hours after MPL before i take up a pax. I never said i kept to my promise!
To tell you the honest truth, i made 5 hours.

I agree with the morphman. If you feel comfortable , go for it.
I also reason if the instructors feel it OK to sign your licence, you,ve done the flight test etc..... then you should be ok to go out and fly.
Just dont get MAK. You've done many hours with the instructor in the backseat anyway.

[Thunderboy]

True

If you thnk about it that way in the States you don't even need a license if you fly solo, so one of the reasons we put in hours of training, study, do exams etc is so that we can take up a PAX. If you pass it means your instructor reckons you safe.

So to summarize
Get your license
Put in a few hours solo to brush up but not too many that you forget how to handle the extra weight then
Take up your passengers and enjoy

I must admitt I love taking people up who have never been before - only in good weather and conditions with my experience right now anyway

I even took our maid up last week - she said she had always dreamt of flying and never did - made her day :D