FLYING THE QUIK

[Dreamer]

Hey all, just a student here so may be totally wrong .....IS the Vne a target or a limit?
Looked up the Quik and says VNE 115mph???

[Dreamer]

Damm, I was going to tie some fireworks(rockets of course) to my Aquilla and see if I could also do 125mph, once I had my licence of course.....

[Dreamer]

:D Yea if it works for Skilpad should work for Aquilla too

[Vlieg-Kattie]

Make us prrrrrroud baby!

From your loyal student!

[Frootbat]

Welcome Kattie on your posting number one.
Now that U have passed your Solo, keep on posting.

[Alex]

Hi Kattie and the rest of the guys

Yes welcome to this site. Guys I hope to see you soon here at JAG and we can have a breakfast again. One of the guys flying here Dawid will also think of putting rockets on his Aquilla and going faster! But this microlight was built to go fast. :D

Guys how do I put a photo on the left? Can somebody help me please!

[Big-D]

Alex, what you lack in computer skill you make up for in flying my man. Go to your profile - Gives you an option to "Upload Avatar" then choose a picture on your computer (hopefully not of you) and it should work if small enough (That is why the picture cannot be of you :D )

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[Vlieg-Kattie]

Dear Frootbat and Alex,

Thank you for your warm welcome! Magix will also be joining us soon, here on the site.

Catch you later!

Vlieg-Kattie

[Dreamer]

Hey again, you can see just looking at her that she is meant to go fast....my question is she meant to go faster than her VNe? Is that just a number thought up by the manufacturers and can I as a student now assume that its just a number which need not be adhered to?

I am sure it must have been great fun, but was it responsible flying.and we all talk about flying responsibly, being safe.....not exceeding our or our aircrafts limitations?

Dont get me wrong, not trying to "stir the pot" , just trying to learn as much as I can as a student who wants to be a safe and responsible pilot.........am I getting this all wrong?

[Weg]

This is what happened when a pipistrel exceeded VNE....luckily for the pilot, he had a ballistic parachute and came down on that - this is what happened IN FLIGHT!!

And that is why CAA has regulations on the difference between VNE and cruise speeds- percentage allowable, so that there is always a safety margin BEFORE you reach VNE. VNE really does speak for itself..
If you faster than the Velocity NEVER exceed, then the manufacturers cannot be blamed for the consequences - you have exceeded the speed that they think is the max that their design criteria can manage.

[Dreamer]

My thoughts exactly, thanks WEG.

[Leprachaun]

As "Dreamer said " I dont want to stir - I would like to stir -
Alex , flying the Quick must be a great experience ! - The previous chairman of MISASA is presently in the UK heading the BMAA- which involves safety as well as all aspects of microlights and small planes . amoungst others investigating accidents. He has ordered a Pegusus GT 450 and must undergo a 12 hour stringent training program before he can take delivery of his plane - VNE - in my trikes manual ,as well as all others that I have it clearly states never , Alex And I repeat never exceed the VNE .
Either you are totally irresponsible or just plain stupid to attempt this type of flying . I would take some time off and clearly think what what I would like to achieve ? Set an example for the younger/ newer pilots in the industry - The old saying - :" there are old and there are bold pilots , BUT THERE ARE NO OLD BOLD PILOTS "-
Fly safely and responsively
Leprachaun

[parafanaylya]

I know nothing about microlights, and have only done a flight over Vic Falls, and then along the gorge. At first it was a bit scary, but I settled in nicely and enjoyed the 65km/h flight.

I had no idea that you could fly this fast

[kill_devil]

I have to echo what Leprachaun says, and have put Dreamer's question to the BMAA.

The placarded Vne (never exceed speed) happens to have a 10% safety factor built in, which probably explains how Alex got away with it.

His Quik will have been test flown to 115mph x 1.1 = 126.5 mph by the factory. This means he was within the tested limits when he reached 125 mph, though I wonder whether he knew this at the time, it being only 1.5 mph from the Outer Limits!

Remember dynamic pressure increases by the square of the speed, so Alex subjected his wing to 18% more stress: 125*125/115/115=1.18. Any gust loading could easily double this.

From his photo he appears to be flying the older variable reflex Quik wing with in-flight adjustable lufflines (rather than the new motorised trim system), and so he was relying on them being correctly adjusted to provide the positive pitch moment to be sustained during the dive. Wisely he did not pitch down more than 30 degrees.

Last week I went solo in my own Quik GT-450. As part of the training they put you into an 80 to 90 mph spiral dive and then tell you to recover! That's OK, as it's well within the flight envelope.

In Alex's case I think he went too close to the edge.

[Alex]

Hi Guys

Sorry had some problems with the comp. But I see what you are righting and yes I new about the safety factor they do that with the wight as well. I did not set out to go so fast but it is very fast and you must not do it please. I am busy doing its tests for CAA and there are a lot of them.

We strongly believe in flying safe I just give the info because it was interesting to know! What this thing can do.

Again this is tests and not for normal flight guys, so no need to go and tri it please!