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Fuel Consumption

Postby gertcoetzee » Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:40 am

Please have a look at my latest log (here or at www.zu-dve.com).

What is the expected fuel consumption for a 582, 912 etc. and what is your consumption?
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Postby Rudix » Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:18 pm

gertcoetzee wrote:Please have a look at my latest log (here or at www.zu-dve.com).

What is the expected fuel consumption for a 582, 912 etc. and what is your consumption?
Hi Gert, hope you are well !

I have seen a +- 17l per hour burn in an X-Air with a 582 (abt 70-75 mph), I have also seen 23l per hour on a 582 on a Cheetha (both 3-axis). On both these planes you climb at abt 6100 rpm and cruise at 5800-5900, working quite hard.

The Jabiru 2200 on my Shadow burns 10-11l per hour at 2500 rpm cruising doing abt 95mph.

When I flew a Aquila with a 582 we were burning about 15l per hour training.

Your 14.6l per hour is not bad for a 582 (I assume it is a 582!)

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Postby Tumbleweed » Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:56 pm

My 582 Raptor got 17 lt p/h at the TVL Champs in Springs 5300 a.s.l.
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Postby ZULU1 » Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:29 am

Aquilla 2 with HKS 700 E, Solo about 6 - 7 litres per hour depending on ambient, cooler air less fuel and between 10 - 11 litres dual maximum.
at Ballito. Solo climb rate about 1,000 fpm, dual depends on Pax but with wife about 700 fpm. 582 Solo about 1,100 fpm same conditions and fuel load.

My old 582 between 16 - 18 litres per hour.

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Postby Thunderboy » Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:15 pm

I think the big thing is weher you trike or 3 axis

On a thunderbird I average 20l/h cruise if dual depending on Wx
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Postby Tjoek » Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:29 pm

My 582 burns 14-18 l/hr in a Cobra on the highveld.
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Postby The Agent » Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:29 am

Well with the Bantam and the Jab engine I use between 11 & 15 l per hour depending on load and pax.
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Postby Thunderboy » Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:52 am

Nice consumption, is that Avgas Agent :?:
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Postby Morph » Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:53 am

Gert ,

the only way to get your specific numbers is to fill your tank, fly a course at a given speed and distance and refill it afterwards.

I have a fuel flow meter and the fuel usage varies greatly between 23.8 liters on take off to 13l/hour at 5250 at 70mph to 10l/h at 60 at 4900rpm to 2.3l/h during decent. This is specifically for my plane. Everyplane/engine will vary
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Postby gertcoetzee » Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:34 pm

Did my consumption the other day by filling to mark, weighing etc. Worked at 0.76kg = 1 liter and came up with that 14odd per hour. Then filled the "half" empty jerry at station, and lo and behold my calcs were wrong, it was approx 12.6l/h.

Today, with 2.5 hour trip, including several landings, deadstick landings, etc. I got 12l/h.

So I think the competition will see me guessing my consumption!

See http://www.zu-dve.com for today's log.
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Postby Duck Rogers » Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:20 pm

Gert....12 l/h is fantastic. Don't ever sell that engine! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Postby lamercyfly » Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:18 am

Hi Gert.

Annie (FF) and I operate Rotax 503's on all our school planes, but we fly many 582's as well.

We have found that the 2 most important factors which HUGELY affect fuel consumption are: ( There are a myriad of other factors, like wing setting -tautness- loose and flapping pannier bags etc., etc., but they only account for small differences in consumption)

1. State of air filters

We have fuel flow monitors on both our main workers (2 Rainbow Safari's), and if our Air Filters have not been cleaned at 50hours then fuel is noted to be flowing at 1.5lt per hour more than with a new or freshly cleaned and oiled filter. Another problem with the conical air filters is that when they are dirty, the suction from the motor is so strong that the filters actually getted 'sucked' in, and become 'concave', instead of the 'convex' shape of a new one. Cleaning a 'concave' filter will not help at all, as once it has become 'concave', it has lost about 40% of its surface area (do some calculus on surface area of spheroid's to get the answer). What this all means is that your engine will be perfoming at very much less than peak for any given throttle position, so to compensate, you add more throttle, which uttimately leads to a huge over-use of petrol - up to as much as 7lt per hour too much. This off course leads to over-rich mixture, which leads to too little oil burn-off during combustion, which leads to carbon formation on cylinder head causing about a 7 - 10% less compression space in the cylinder which means less power which means you add more throttle etc., etc., etc.,

And off course ring sticking due to excess carbon build-up, which leads to loss of compression and therefore loss of power so you add more throttle and use more petrol etc., etc., etc.,

And it all started from bad airfilter management :wink:

2. EGT's (exhuast gas temperatures)

We have EGT's fitted to all our 503's. This is the first instrument which tells you without doubt that your air-filters are starting to get dirty.

I have found, even on our brand new engines, that within about 40 hours of use, I need to drop the needles to the groove that the little rubber 'o' ring is in (the top groove), and I reduce the main jets to 155 (from standard 158's).

What this achieves is to maintain EGT's between 570 and 600deg Celcius.

The minute the EGT's are consistently running below 550, it means the airfilters are most probably the first thing to look at as they are getting dirty and restricting air-flow.


What I have achieved by stringent monitoring and usuage of EGT's for fuel consumption purposes (ultimately engine management) is to obtain fule consumption figures as follows:

SEA Level operation - cruise at 5300RPM at 500feet ASL - cruise speed 45 -47mph - half tanks and 2 persons on board
(i) dirty filters and or low EGT 14.5 - 16.5lt per hour
(i) management as above 9.9 - 11 lt per hour

I achieve the same for 582's when I run them. Their RPM is less, but the main jet is bigger. End result is about the same consumption

When flying solo, and I have just cleaned filters and jets and needle jets are new, I achieve between 8 and 9lt per hour.

If I really go out of my way to control the entire flight, from start up till shut-down, including adjusting RPM for climb, planning climb and descent paths, use of ridge lift along the coastline etc., then I can bring consumption right down to craaazy figures :lol: :lol: Once flew from Empangeni to La Mercy -solo- in a Safari with 503. Total time 1hr 20min. Fuel used 5.2lts. Had a tail wind, and 'ridge soared the dunes from Mtunzini till Ballito, IAS 44mph (best glide for the Aeros 14.8 wing)

But ja, keep those airfilters clean and make sure the surface area is NOT compromised, adjust main and needle jets to give almost max recommended operating EGT (is usually about 20deg. celcius less than Max permissable) keep the engine free of excessive carbon deposits and fly your wing at it's best L/D speed, which for most local wings is between 44 and 48mph, and you will be amazed at how little fuel you will use........ :wink:

When FF and I flew up to Ladysmith for the Nationals 2 weeks ago, we were fully loaded with gear, and averaged at IAS of 48mph, flying at FL 085. Our consumption was 10.3lts per hour each. Yup, we both used the same amount of gas. :lol: :lol:

What is interesting is that our wings are old, really old, and have lots of billow. Therefore we are flying at higher RPM than necessary to achieve 48mph. I am confident that with a new wing, we would have done the same journey with an average usage 9.5l per hour each.

A really interesting topic for me, as I enjoy all aspects of flying, including mastering engine management :?: :?: If that is possible with these engines and the variable environment we operate in :lol: :lol:

Hope you enjoyed reading this................ :)
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Postby cmorrissey1961@yahoo.com » Sat Oct 28, 2006 6:20 pm

My Rotax 582 burns about 15 litres per hour. This is the general consumption for 582's
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Fuel Consumption

Postby jabirusk » Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:06 pm

I have a Jabiru with an 80hp motor. Recently installed "Economy kit" and I get 10,5 L/h at 95kts and 2950rpm.60 L tank lets me really go places!Will see if spats make any difference to cruise speed.
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Postby cobra » Sat Apr 07, 2007 4:46 am

Average of 12 l/h - this consumpsion is measured (with FF gauge) over a period of 6 months at the highveld cruising at 6500ft, 5000 rpm (5400 with pax) and changing spark plugs and cleaning air filters every 25h.
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