Sorry chaps, but I have to agree and also disagree...
No one can ignore that the quality of good training is of paramount importance in any pilots armory - granted! But I don't think an instructor can be held infinitely responsible for brain-farts of pilots he has trained. It's a six of one and half a dozen of the other situation.
One example (and yes it is a real one) Said pilot received training from one of the leading instructors in SA. He did everything to the book whilst under the tenure of said instructor. He gets his license and has proven to be a quite capable pilot. when he does his normal flight tests, everything is perfect... from airmanship right through to his radio work. But then enters the "brain-fart". When he is on his own though, he becomes himself when flying alone ... buzzing residences of friends, flying under bridges, showing off to unsuspecting pax's, flying low over assemblies of people etc. until one late afternoon, the brain-fart catches him out and he lands up along with his passenger in hospital when a low-flying jaunt goes horribly wrong. He was spoken to, don't tell me how to fly because I can - clearly an issue with authority! Do we blame his training or his instructor? No,we cannot. By the look of things, there are many more pilots portraying the same traits in the fraternity.
Flying is a DISCIPLINE and SAFETY is an ATTITUDE. In the end it all boils down to AIRMANSHIP...
What is Airmanship? It's the sum of your attitude & airman skills. It begins with the attitude you have toward yourself & others, & includes your sense of moral & ethical responsibility to both. As an airman, your attitude is integrated with your airman skills, which are, your piloting skills, your technical expertise & understanding of the aircraft you fly, your social skills and your CRM skills. Your attitude & airman skills determine your level of airmanship & ultimately, your rank among other aviators. If your objective is airmanship then remember: Attitude + Airman Skills = Airmanship. Ultimately if our objective is professional airmanship, our objective becomes one of learning, maintaining & enhancing our airman skills. It means we have a strategy to succeed & be examples of "Airmanship". If that is truly our objective, we will no longer think of our piloting skills as "airman" skills. We will see them as "Airmanship" skills.
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Flying is a DISCIPLINE and SAFETY is an ATTITUDE. In the end it all boils down to AIRMANSHIP...



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And then there was COMMON SENSE!!!
'Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense, who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was, as his birth records were lost long ago in bureaucratic red tape. He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as: ‘Knowing when to come in out of the rain’, ‘why the early bird gets the worm’,
‘Life is not always fair’ and ‘Maybe it was my fault.’
Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (do not spend more than you can earn) and reliable strategies (adults, not children, are in charge). His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well intentioned, but overbearing regulations were set in place. Reports of a six-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition.
Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job that they themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly children. It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer sun lotion or paracaetamol to a student, but could not inform parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.
Common Sense lost the will to live, as the churches became businesses, and criminals received better treatment than their victims.
Common Sense took a beating when you could not defend yourself from a burglar in your own home, and the burglar could sue you for assault.
Common Sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman failed to realise that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, and was promptly awarded a very large settlement by a judge who had clearly lost his/her Common Sense.
Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents, Truth and Trust; his wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son, Reason. His four stepbrothers survive him; I Know My Rights, I Want It Now, Someone Else Is To blame, and I'm A Victim.
However, not many attended his funeral because so few realised he was gone.
'Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense, who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was, as his birth records were lost long ago in bureaucratic red tape. He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as: ‘Knowing when to come in out of the rain’, ‘why the early bird gets the worm’,
‘Life is not always fair’ and ‘Maybe it was my fault.’
Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (do not spend more than you can earn) and reliable strategies (adults, not children, are in charge). His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well intentioned, but overbearing regulations were set in place. Reports of a six-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition.
Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job that they themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly children. It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer sun lotion or paracaetamol to a student, but could not inform parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.
Common Sense lost the will to live, as the churches became businesses, and criminals received better treatment than their victims.
Common Sense took a beating when you could not defend yourself from a burglar in your own home, and the burglar could sue you for assault.
Common Sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman failed to realise that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, and was promptly awarded a very large settlement by a judge who had clearly lost his/her Common Sense.
Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents, Truth and Trust; his wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son, Reason. His four stepbrothers survive him; I Know My Rights, I Want It Now, Someone Else Is To blame, and I'm A Victim.
However, not many attended his funeral because so few realised he was gone.
John Boucher
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jb.brokers@gmail.com
chairman@misasa.org
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You can't hold the instructor or for that matter trainers for an individual stupidity or disregard to air laws or airmanship...
Come guys we are all big men with big toys
not boys with toys...
My point was, training is a continuous cycle which never stops, airmanship is all about thinking of other people other than your pax or yourself, and if you disregard the rules and regulation, it's the red carpet for you my man, it is that simple surely ?
You do the crime, you do the time.... Finished...
Come guys we are all big men with big toys

My point was, training is a continuous cycle which never stops, airmanship is all about thinking of other people other than your pax or yourself, and if you disregard the rules and regulation, it's the red carpet for you my man, it is that simple surely ?
You do the crime, you do the time.... Finished...
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Tell that to Oscar Pistorius!Robbie Shaw wrote: You do the crime, you do the time.... Finished...


As usual, I'm not sure why this is even being debated

Report to CAA and make sure he never flies again!
Now, let's go fly....safely

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DO2 ..... As I have said before let the rules determine the fate of that so call pilot..D2O wrote:Tell that to Oscar Pistorius!Robbie Shaw wrote: You do the crime, you do the time.... Finished...![]()
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As usual, I'm not sure why this is even being debated![]()
Report to CAA and make sure he never flies again!
Now, let's go fly....safely
Robbie Shaw. (Rhodie)
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