Being in the WRONG at Rhino ...... was I ?

[Tumbleweed]

Whats the purpose of a 'beat up' anyway?

It's like doing a bike burn-out in a busy car park.

[Morph]

It is fun to watch but follow the correct joining procedures, follow the correct circuit and call your intentions early. Instead of saying "Full Stop" or "Touch and Go" say "Low Level Fly past" or something like it. And try ensure that the circuit is clear and safe to do this sort of thing. We often do a low level when we take a pax up for the first time. Their buddies get to take a nice piccy of them etc.

The only time you should come straight in is when you are absolutely sure thre is nobody in circuit, and you have broadcasted your intentions to all.

And finally, if there are no rules follow common sense and good airmanship.

[Cloud Warrior]

Shouldn't you Rhino people sort this dispute out in house rather than air all the dirty washing in public?

While I find this thread more entertaining than "Days" or "Bold", I would think that it would be better to resolve your differences eye to eye rather than through an internet forum.

[Cloud Warrior]

P.S. I used to fly with a C210 pilot who would advise traffic in the area that he was about to conduct a"low level runway inspection" of Oranjemund Airport so that his wife could take photos of us beating up the runway.

He would then pull up sharply to bleed off speed, do a 180 turn, drop his undercarriage and commence his landing approach. I think I realised that bliks were not for me at the height of the turn when my stomach would end up in my mouth. Can't believe people do that for fun!

[Beaver 550]

If you desend on the western side at Morningstar won't you be on a different frequincy?

[skybound®]

The only time you should come straight in is when you are absolutely sure thre is nobody in circuit, and you have broadcasted your intentions to all.

Sorry Morph - have to disagree. Yes we probably are all guilty of it, however it is in breach of the ANR's. There is a set procedure for joining unmanned airfields and should be followed. If you don't and there is an incident - the person not following the correct procedure will be at fault. If you want confirmation of that - use the 'insurance test' - phone your insurer and he will say - sorry you broke the law - no pay out.

If local rules exist for an airfield - they should be published.

[Fairy Flycatcher]

Hi Skybound.

Not sure where you got that from, but the ANR's no longer apply to operation of Aircraft, only to flight crew licencing, slowly being fazed out and replaced by Part 61 / 62

I double checked and the entire CAR Part 91 and 94 (Operation Rules and Operation of NTCA, do not make any mention of this.

There are, however, published in the ENR (En-Route AIP), standard circuit procedures. As most people should know these, it is usually a good idea to more or less follow these so that you do not conflict with traffic, but I have not come accross any law stating you have to follow these. They are not even recommended procedures, just standard.

If the aerodrome is a unmanned LICENCED aerodrome, the circuit procedure is either as per standard, or you have alternate procedures published in the AIP ( Aeronoutical Information Publication ) . If the circuit procedure is different from standard, such as at FAVG all circuits are to the east. Even at night, when its unmanned but still all circuits are to the east - left 23, right 05. These are then published in the AIPs.

Any private airfield may have its own procedures, or not, and its a good idea and good manners to find out what they are before you fly there, but as far as I know, no-one can force you to fly there legally. The airfield owner / club, though have every right to tell you not to ever land there again if you can not follow the procedures they require.

Please correct me if I am wrong, so that we don't give people false impressions on this forum.

[Morph]

If you desend on the western side at Morningstar won't you be on a different frequincy?

Technically yes, but you would be within 1 mile of the circuit and only in the Delta 200 for the duration of the decent. Should you decide to venture further into Delta 200 then you would have to change frequencies to 124.4

If you are approaching Morning Star from the west, i.e. from within the Delta 200 you should change to 124.8 within 1 or 2 miles of the circuit anyway so as to give yourself sufficient chance to listen out for traffic and to announce your intentions anyway

[Beaver 550]

We also have to comply with part 91.06.12 unless stated otherwise. We share the airspace with other aircraft. Sorry i do not know how to attach the file.

[emil]

well thanks for every ones comments....from reading it, it is 50/50 being in the wrong or not...well to update you the new radio is installed

[Fairy Flycatcher]

We also have to comply with part 91.06.12 unless stated otherwise. We share the airspace with other aircraft. Sorry i do not know how to attach the file.

Just so everyone knows: CAR 91.06.12, as per the "Air Law For Private Pilots", Lilith Seals (Another must for your bookshelf)

Operation on and in the vicinity of aerodropme

(1) The pilot-in-command of an aircraft operating on or in the vicinity of an aerodrome, shall be responsible for compliance with the folowing rules:

(a) Observe other aerodrome traffic for the purpose of avoiding collision;

(b) Conform with or avoid the pattern of traffic formed by other aircraft in operation;

(c) Make all turns to the left when approaching for a landing and after taking off, unless otherwise instructed by an air traffic service unit, or unless a right hand circuit is in force; Provided that a helicopter may, with due regard to other factors and when it is in the interest of safety, execute a circuit to the opposite side

(d) Land and take-off, as far as practicable, into wind unless otherwise instructed by an air traffic service unit;

(e) Fly across the aerodrome environs at a height of not less than 2000 feet above the level of such aerodrome: Provided that if circumstances require such pilot-in-command to fly at a height of less than 2 000 feet above the level of the aerodrome, he or she shall conform with the traffic pattern at such aerodrome; and

(f) Taxi in accordance with the ground control procedures which may be in force at the aerodrome.

So there you have it: does not seem that Emil clashed with the law, only with the locals, which can actually be worse

[emil]

hi there..thanks again for all the response...so it seems i was not against the law, and according to my display rating i am allowed to fly my display at not lower than 250 feet......that is a DISPLAY at an AIRSHOW not playing in stright lineas at 100 feet

[skybound®]

Please correct me if I am wrong, so that we
don't give people false impressions on this forum.

Nope FF - it appears that you are in fact correct. Seems the standard joining procedure has got lost in the transition

Have hunted high and low for it in the new regs and so far pretty much empty handed. Will update if I do manage to find it.

So effectively someone could bomb directly onto short finals and not run foul of any procedure/regulation - other than if a procedure is published for an individual aerodrome.

[Beaver 550]

Chapter 94.01.1(2) Tells you that it is in addition/exeptions to chapter 91.
Chapter 94 although not promugared was put in use by an AIC of which i do not have the number now.

Things might have changed but this is the last info i have.