Logbook Entries

[mulderpm]

In my Pilots logbook I log my piloting time as the time from the moment the aircraft commences its take-off until the time it completes the next landing (flight). Acording to my instruments, "the moment the aircraft commences its take-off" is defined as when, the engine rpm exceeds 5000 rpm and the airspeed exceeds 30 mph. "The time it completes the next landing" is defined as when the airspeed drops below 30 mph. Some pilots call this wheels-off to wheels-on time or brakes-off to brakes-on time? For instance I wouldn't log any time for taxiing to the holding point, finding a fault and taxiing back to the hangar. I also log every flight separately even if it was only for one circuit. I know when you have 1000’s of hours this is not important but what is correct? Also, if you do not have an instrument which calculates this for you how would you log piloting time, HOBBS minus avearge taxiing time e.g. 0.1 hours?

In my Airframe Logbook (aircraft/engine logbook) I log my instruments HOBBS reading as the “total time flown” which is defined as when the engine rpm exceeds 2000 rpm until it drops below 2000 rpm. I know some pilots who log this as their piloting time in their Pilots Logbook? Some define this “time flown” entry, as the time period between the moment the aircraft moves under its own power until it comes to rest at the end of the flight (flight time). Chocks-off to chocks-on time However, I do not log the time pushing the aircraft out of the hangar.

What does RAASA and CAA require and where can I find this definition.

[justin.schoeman]

According to Part 61 you must log 'flight time', which is defined as:

“flight time” means –
(a) for the operation of aeroplanes, the total time from the moment an aeroplane first moves
for the purposes of taking off until the moment it finally comes to rest at the end of the
flight;
Note — Flight time as here defined is synonymous with the term “block to block” time or
“chock to chock” time in general usage which is measured from the time an aeroplane
first moves for the purpose of taking off until it finally stops at the end of the flight.

[Loco]

Hi Paul I was wondering the same
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[mulderpm]

According to Part 61 you must log 'flight time', which is defined as:

Hi Justin,

Yes, if you take the letter of the wording "flight time" in Part 61, paragraph 61.01.8, "Logging of flight time". But how else would the writer have worded the requirement. The writer could not have said "Logging of flight". For me, "Flight" has a more appropriate definition. It just does not make sense to me to log my flight time as per the definition of the wording. Would you log a flight that was aborted before take off as piloting time in your Pilots Logbook? This has happened to me and I didn't log it. Taxiing does not count as piloting time? You can do that without being a pilot.

To prevent confusion I would suggest that the paragraph in Part 61 should refer to the "flight time" definition or define what should be recorded under "flight time" in the Pilots Logbook.

[justin.schoeman]

According to Part 61 you must log 'flight time', which is defined as:

Hi Justin,

Yes, if you take the letter of the wording "flight time" in Part 61, paragraph 61.01.8, "Logging of flight time". But how else would the writer have worded the requirement. The writer could not have said "Logging of flight". For me, "Flight" has a more appropriate definition. It just does not make sense to me to log my flight time as per the definition of the wording. Would you log a flight that was aborted before take off as piloting time in your Pilots Logbook? This has happened to me and I didn't log it. Taxiing does not count as piloting time? You can do that without being a pilot.

To prevent confusion I would suggest that the paragraph in Part 61 should refer to the "flight time" definition or define what should be recorded under "flight time" in the Pilots Logbook.

The law doesn't need to be any more specific. Everywhere they use the term 'flight time' they are referring back to the definition. Just like where 61.01.8 refers to 'instrument flight time', they are referring specifically to the definition of 'instrument flight time' in the law.

This is as I was taught by an instructor - when he insisted that I log an aborted flight.

[mulderpm]

Thanks Justin for clearing that up.

[skybound®]

Taxiing does not count as piloting time? You can do that without being a pilot.

If you read the regs, taxiing is the initial 'maneuvre' that they use to qualify at what stage of operation one does require to have a pilot licence.

[John Boucher]

So up to the point where you aircraft has reached 30mph or 5000rpm, who is in control of it and it's systems? You have been under logging your hours

Justin and Roger - SNAP

[mulderpm]

Stand corrected. Thanks to all.

[John Boucher]

What would you add per entry after your last entry stamped and filed ?

0.1 or 0.2 seem reasonable? Take the total of your entries and multiply that by the factor and you''ll see how much you have been...... PIC Not that the hours maketh the pilot

[mulderpm]

100% John. I have about 50 hours logged this way. The others were all done according to flight time. So, as you said, the hours do not maketh the pilot. I am going to leave it and log correctly from now on. For interest sake, I checked through my last months instrument log and the taxiing time, at FABA, is about 5 minutes per flight I.e. "flight time" minus "flight". I.e. about .1 hrs. .1 X 50 = 5 hrs. Not worth it.

The reason why I started this thread was because I repeatedly noticed confusion. Now it is sorted for all to see. Thanks

[John Boucher]

As long as it is sorted...