Flying where there's no plan B?

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Flying where there's no plan B?

Postby Beefmaster » Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:10 pm

Hi guys,

How do you chaps fly when you're in an area where there is no bail out option ie. untouched bushveld with narrow roads, plantations, mountains etc? Do you just not fly there because there's no place to land if need be, do you plan to limit time over "hostile" areas, or sometimes just say bugger it and fly over it? I ask because I'm based at Pyramid, Barberton now, but did my training in Witbank. Two very different areas to fly in i.t.o emergency landings! Now the only way out of the barberton valley is over mountainous areas, whichever way you look at it!

I'm a low hour pilot btw (+-35 hours), and wondering how to spread the wings without endangering myself/pax or my plane.

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Re: Flying where there's no plan B?

Postby Bugwar » Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:25 pm

One option is to get a ballistic parachute or fly higher so that you will at least make it to the narrow road. You should have been taught how to do an emergency landing between trees.

Myself and Asterix flew over the "valley of a thousand hills" and then the plantations between Empangeni and Sodwana. Quite a scary thought with no place to land....
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Re: Flying where there's no plan B?

Postby Beefmaster » Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:30 pm

Hi Bugwar,

Yes I can imagine! I've never flown anywhere where there was no place to land, so the first time (prob within a week) will be new to me. I am actually looking for a chute, just so that I have something to pull should the need arise. Sidenote: I never was taught how to emergency land between trees, whats the basic theory behind this?

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Re: Flying where there's no plan B?

Postby Ou Man » Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:37 pm

Sacrifice the wings and get and use the fuselage to absorb as much energy as possible.
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Re: Flying where there's no plan B?

Postby Bundy » Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:31 am

Ou Man wrote:Sacrifice the wings and get and use the fuselage to absorb as much energy as possible.
Hi BM...what Ou Man says here above is exactly what I was taught as well. I would prob add that the idea is also to bleed as much speed off as you can before "impact".

A balistic chute is always going to be an interesting debate...those who have used them and are still alive.... swear by them. :wink:
I am not convinced they are beneficial to each and every pilot though and you must analyze your situation carefully. I spend 90% of my time flying over open fields and countless roads where I believe I have a good choice of landing options. This is why I have not really considered a chute. (Which you must also remember is not 100% safe or garuanteed and will result in zero pilot control even if deployed successfully.)

If I was spending this same amount of my flying time over hostile terrain my view would be different. ^

I agree with BugWar as well in that your height (AGL) is a big ally. For every 500ft you go up, your landing options virtually double!
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Re: Flying where there's no plan B?

Postby Bugwar » Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:51 am

Ou Man wrote:Sacrifice the wings and get and use the fuselage to absorb as much energy as possible.
In other words: try to bleed off as much speed as possible and steer yourself between two trees and let the wing take the impact.

There is a video about it but I do not know the name.

If you look around on this forum you will find many debates around the use of a chute.
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Re: Flying where there's no plan B?

Postby Loco » Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:41 am

Hi

Sorry little off topic but I'm also seriously considering getting a chute just for structural failure but I've been advised that structural failure on Aquilla's is a non-event & the extra weight and location relative to the CG messes up the gliding characteristics which could mean that you might have made a landing spot if you didn't have the chute (remember Marius's (ZS-NEL) accident where they just missed the runway after engine out)

Also what's the procedure for ditching in water? I guess step 1 is not to get yourself into a situation where it's required but if you happened to ditch in Bronkies :) what would you do? Unplug headsets & safety belt, try stall her just above the water, jump & hope you don't bump your head against the passing prop / drown? From diving courses I've also learned that it's very difficult to swim with your shoes on, so it's probably a good idea to get those off as well unless you're worried about hypothermia

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Re: Flying where there's no plan B?

Postby bryan » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:11 am

Try swimming witha flight suit!!!. Its a NO NO
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Re: Flying where there's no plan B?

Postby Loco » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:28 am

bryan wrote:Try swimming witha flight suit!!!. Its a NO NO
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Re: Flying where there's no plan B?

Postby nicow » Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:33 am

Hou jou lug en petrol filters skoon,en vlieg.Probeer maar elke keer ekstra hoogte kry.
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Re: Flying where there's no plan B?

Postby Beefmaster » Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:54 pm

Thanks Nico, ek het maar gefigure dis nie die moeite werd om te veel te worry oor te veel goed en glad nie my vlieg geniet nie, sal maar hoog vlieg en minder worry, ek hou in elk geval van altitude! Dis net daai A-Frame se boute word maar klein as jy ver is van die aarde af! ;)
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Re: Flying where there's no plan B?

Postby Blue Max » Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:46 pm

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Beefmaster,
my advies is dalk nie altyd die korrekte advies nie, maar ek gee dit anyway, vat daarvan wat jy wil..
Hoeveel keer het jou motor kar se engine al gaan staan wanneer jy die lang pad vat.?..net gaan staan en jy kan nie verder ry nie.??
Ek het n hong kong generator op die plaas wat elke aand non stop 4 ure loop ..tot iemand hom afsit of hy dod sonder petrol..Die gennie het R1000 gekos op n special !!!
My trike 582 engine kry sy dienste gereeld , sy airfilters word gereel skoon gemaak en sy plugs word gereeld vervang..Ek doen dit wat die handboek voorskryf...En hy het baie meer as n R1000 gekos..
As ek in my aerie klim is ek relax, oor die engine, wat wel n ou se aandag verg is die weer en die wind en wolke en daardie dinge...dit het nie met die engine te doen nie..so die engine is jou kleinste worry...vlieg en geniet..
En as jy n keuse het van twee roetes kies die veiliger een.
n shute is n no no vir my...ek sal nie my mind kan opmaak om die ding oop te trek nie en glo ek sal elk geval gaan land sonder om eers aan die shute te raak...Meeste ouens vlieg sonder n shoot en ek vermoed n noodlanding is n beter opsie as om die shute te gebruik..
Kry jou eerste 30 uur agter die rug, kom huier vir my by Elands en ons vlieg vir ure sonder worries en my 582 het amper 1000 ure sonder probleme van enige aard...Die ou wie hom aan my verkoop het is nou nog spyt.!!!! :lol: :lol:
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Re: Flying where there's no plan B?

Postby Beefmaster » Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:12 pm

Hahaha!! Mooi man! Sal graag wou kom draai maak daai kant! Het self vir 'n ruk op 'n plaas gebly teenaan loskopdam, so ken daai wereld heel goed :) Ek het juis 'n pel in Witbank wat nou sonder 'n vliegpel is, sal plan maak dan gat ek soontoe, dan vlieg ons agter mekaar tot daar vir 'n aand :)
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