Any news on Kevin Manion's Accident Report?

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Any news on Kevin Manion's Accident Report?

Postby John Young » Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:27 pm

Bundy wrote:Can someone give me the exact date of the accident and registration no of the aircraft please? It was mentioned earlier that it could have been the 1 Mar 2008? Need some confirmation for CAA...
Thanks guys,

EDIT: Does anyone have the link to the original Accident thread? I cant find anything on a search??
Here is the thread -

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=6751 :(

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Re: Any news on Kevin Manion's Accident Report?

Postby Bundy » Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:59 pm

Thanks John,

By reading the various threads and posts...

Date: 1 Mar 2008
Reg: ZU DYL

I am in contact with Jan from CAA Accident dept....I will let you all know what transpires from our correspondence.

This was before my time.....I only took my first flight in a trike over a year later. Very sad to read through the posts. RIP Kev. (-)

Here is an interesting blog from the UK forum....on the subject of structural accidents involving this type.


http://forums.bmaa.org/default.aspx?f=15&p=1&m=52990
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Any news on Kevin Manion's Accident Report?

Postby John Young » Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:35 pm

Graham Webster said...

I feel I must respond to the twittering that this thread has produced.

....can we bring this thread to a close?

Such fish-wife style of gossip serves no useful purpose

.....and some of the insinuations are verging on the libellous.

Graham Webster

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As per the thread that Bundy posted.

This Graham dude is a real BOX and I had a good go at him. :lol:

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Re: Any news on Kevin Manion's Accident Report?

Postby Bundy » Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:03 am

Still no news from CAA chaps..... Have sent another mail this morning. :wink:

Will keep you posted....
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Re: Any news on Kevin Manion's Accident Report?

Postby bobthebuilder » Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:29 am

Thanks Alan.
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Re: Any news on Kevin Manion's Accident Report?

Postby Bundy » Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:27 am

Well....I'm afraid I have nothing new to report. After 2 days of emails (which no one responded to) and phone calls today, I am told it will take a "while" for the Accident Investigation Division of CAA to even find out who is the investigator in charge of this Accident.....

I think I'm getting to understand why things are like they are in almost every branch of Authority :roll:

"We will get back to you" :wink:

I'll keep annoying them guys.... ##
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Re: Any news on Kevin Manion's Accident Report?

Postby nicow » Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:07 pm

John Young wrote:
Graham Webster said...

I feel I must respond to the twittering that this thread has produced.

....can we bring this thread to a close?

Such fish-wife style of gossip serves no useful purpose

.....and some of the insinuations are verging on the libellous.

Graham Webster

Airborne Australia in UK
As per the thread that Bundy posted.

This Graham dude is a real BOX and I had a good go at him. :lol:

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Re: Any news on Kevin Manion's Accident Report?

Postby Bundy » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:16 am

How many other reports (prior to 2009) are outstanding?

I say prior to 2009 because we all know it takes an average of 2 years for the CAA to finalise a report. Even when there is nothing to really "investigate" and the cause of the crash is obvious :wink:

This is going back way before my time....please list any aircraft accidents that have never had their reports concluded....while we at it we may as well follow up on those too? Please include Date and Registration and Type.


"We will get back to you..." :roll: :wink: yeah....right!
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Re: Any news on Kevin Manion's Accident Report?

Postby Bundy » Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:11 am

After much frustration, I was finally called this morning and given the Details of the Investigator in charge.....I will call him a little later this morning....
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Re: Any news on Kevin Manion's Accident Report?

Postby bosbok » Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:17 am

Thank you for all your effort in this matter Bundy. It is really appreciated. =D*
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Re: Any news on Kevin Manion's Accident Report?

Postby Bundy » Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:47 am

Right, now we seem to be making progress....

I have just spoken to the Accident Investigator. The report on DYL Accident was tabled and approved for publication Last year April or March....it is not clear why the report is not published on the CAA website?.... But have a look at my post on page 1 of this thread....When I searched the Occurence Reports for March 2008, the 1st of March does not appear! Dates run from beginning Feb till the 28th....and then again from March 2nd onwards.... this could be why the report has not been found in the Public domain? Who knows....

I have asked The Investigator to e mail me the report and I will upload it here as soon as I have it.

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Re: Any news on Kevin Manion's Accident Report?

Postby lamercyfly » Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:53 am

Thanks Bundy.

Maybe consider that you have unearthed something that MISASA, as an ARO, can constructively engage.. and turn around.. for the good. We all want to see tangible things that MISASA can do. I believe this is one of them.

I propose that MISASA develop a specialist accident investigation department, who MUST be involved, intimately, in all NPL accidents.

We MUST have the right to issue preliminary reports/findings, and be bound by timelines to follow up with the authorities, who in turn MUST be held responsible to adhere to these timelines, or face disciplinary action.

May I PM you on some suggestions.

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Re: Any news on Kevin Manion's Accident Report?

Postby Bundy » Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:22 am

Hi David,

I wont even try and comment on that as I have no experience in Accident Investigation or it's administration. Perhaps JB or Leprechaun could elaborate on the idea? I would rather have a completely seperate Accident Investigation Beauro formed....one 100% independant of the CAA....as is actually required by Law. Been many discutions on AvCom about that....

The file is too big to upload... I have mailed it to one of our Mod's so they can put it up here.

I feel you may have more questions than answers after you read it....

RIP Kevin and PAX (-)
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Re: Any news on Kevin Manion's Accident Report?

Postby Bundy » Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:37 am

Hi Guys,

I am really hoping the Mod's can upload the file for us here today, they may have been out of the office on Fri.... :)

Having allready recieved quite a few mails asking for the report...I have copied here the critical part of the report so long for you to browse.... (It's just a little too big to mail to everyone guys...I'm sure we will have it up here today in full.)

"2. ANALYSIS:

2.1 Available information indicated that fine weather conditions prevailed in the area at the time of the flight and accident. The prevailing weather conditions were therefore not considered to have any bearing on the accident.
2.2 According to the last maintenance record entry found in the SACAA aircraft file, the aircraft was properly maintained. All flight control surfaces were accounted for, but control continuity could not be confirmed.
2.3 The pilot held a valid pilot licence as well as a valid aviation medical certificate that was issued by an SACAA-accredited medical examiner. After the accident and subsequent inspection, the SACAA investigators noted that the aircraft right wing leading edge material failed in-flight, folded up and resulted in loss of control.
2.4 Samples of the wing material were removed from the accident aircraft and tests and examinations were carried out. All the samples passed the tests and it is still uncertain where loads great enough to cause such failures could have come from.
2.5 It is the opinion of the investigator that, whilst the aircraft was flying, an inboard section of the starboard side wing cover (material) started tearing and that caused the aircraft to lose lift on the starboard side wing. The aircraft went into a stall and spiral spin from which the pilot could not recover resulting in a crash. Post impact fire erupted and fatally injured the pilot and passenger.

3. CONCLUSION:

3.1 Findings:
3.1.1 The pilot was a holder of a private pilot licence with the aircraft type licence endorsed in his logbook.
3.1.2 The pilot’s medical certificate expired on 30 June 2010, and had no restrictions.
3.1.3 The pilot and the passenger were engaged in a private flight.
3.1.4 The Approved Person that certified the last inspection was accredited by the Aeroclub.
3.1.5 No records of any fuel uplift could be found because the aircraft’s flight folio could not be located.
3.1.6 The aircraft logbooks could not be located or found.
3.1.7 According to the SACAA aircraft file, the last annual inspection was certified by an approved person on 15 December 2007.
3.1.8 The Authority to Fly was valid until 5 January 2009.
3.1.9 The flight was conducted in fine weather conditions.
3.1.10 The right wing material failed in flight resulting in a loss of lift to the starboard side of the wing.
3.1.11 The aircraft stalled before crashing and being destroyed by the impact forces and the post impact fire.
3.1.12 Both the pilot and passenger were fatally injured as a result of this accident.


3.2 Probable Cause/s:

3.2.1 The right wing leading edge material failed in-flight, resulting in a loss of lift and subsequently the aircraft stalled and crashed.

All the samples passed the Bettsometer tests as described in Streak 3 Maintenance Manual Section 53.30.00. The values used were the 1 360 g limit as prescribed. It is uncertain where loads great enough to cause such failures could have come from "
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Re: Any news on Kevin Manion's Accident Report?

Postby Tailspin » Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:06 am

Hi All

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