Gyro Conversion Application

[Steveh]

Gents

If I want to convert from an MT03 to an MTO Sport, what would a conversion course entail?

[THI]

IIRC it would be a normal type convertion, hour dual and a bit of theory. I'm sure there is an instructor that can correct me

[Low Level]

Sent old no7 a pm. He was there, not long ago. In my mind it is the same gyro, but.........

[Gyronaut]

The same applies to a conversion between a Magni M16 and a Magni M22. In essence the same machine, the M22 has additional luggage pods and no dual controls - otherwise it is the same airframe.

A technical briefing, written test and practical flight is still required. Always been a bit of a conundrum because there are no dual controls for an instructor to assist if it becomes necessary during the check-ride. We therefore do 90% of the conversion training on the M16 and then send the student out on his own on his M22.

MT03 and MTOS would face the same problem except making it easier since both have dual controls. There are minor differences in the CofG (therefore different flight characteristics) otherwise it is the same machine.

Len

[Low Level]

A technical briefing, written test and practical flight is still required.

Interesting. Never thought about it, but saw the MT-03 and MT-OS as the same gyro. Didn't think a conversion would be necessary.

Always been a bit of a conundrum because there are no dual controls for an instructor to assist if it becomes necessary during the check-ride. We therefore do 90% of the conversion training on the M16 and then send the student out on his own on his M22

Does that mean a guy with an M22 has an M16 and M22 on his lisence, or only one ? Is it an official conversion ?

[Jabbanaught]

A technical briefing, written test and practical flight is still required.

Interesting. Never thought about it, but saw the MT-03 and MT-OS as the same gyro. Didn't think a conversion would be necessary.

Always been a bit of a conundrum because there are no dual controls for an instructor to assist if it becomes necessary during the check-ride. We therefore do 90% of the conversion training on the M16 and then send the student out on his own on his M22

Does that mean a guy with an M22 has an M16 and M22 on his lisence, or only one ? Is it an official conversion ?

You would have the M16 and M22rating

[Jabbanaught]

Len , different question ?

Do you need to do minimum hours to keep the M16 rating ?

[Gyronaut]

Yes, to have an M22 rating you have to have an M16 rating first. Yes the conversion to M22 is an official conversion and requires an application to be submitted to RAASA. There is no fee involved to RAASA to obtain a rating on your licence. If the aircraft has a different Y type then a conversion IS required.

No Paul, there is no minimum requirement to keep a specific rating valid - (that I know of).

Rgds

Len

[Jabbanaught]

Yes, to have an M22 rating you have to have an M16 rating first. Yes the conversion to M22 is an official conversion and requires an application to be submitted to RAASA. There is no fee involved to RAASA to obtain a rating on your licence. If the aircraft has a different Y type then a conversion IS required.

No Paul, there is no minimum requirement to keep a specific rating valid - (that I know of).

Rgds

Len

Thanks Len

[Thebushpilot]

Len

Although the type ratings have different Y numbers, surely it will be prudent to classify the MT's and Magni 16 & 22 under the same group type rating. In order to do this one just does a differences familiarisation onto the other course - why do you have to fly the same machine again, although it is a newer model?

The commercial world operates like this, I would cut down on RAASA's administration and red tape. For example, one would qualify on a 747 - 200 simulator, a difference course was then competed and one would then have the whole classic type rating on your license, the 747-200, -300 and SP.

[Gyronaut]

Agreed. It boils down to a 'difference course' in the end. RAASA simply keep record of it (at no cost) so that it is printed on your licence. The M22 and M16 can't carry the same Y designation since the M22 has no dual controls and therefore cannot be used for training. Changing the Y designations would simply complicate matters for everyone when in fact these conversions are quite rare. So we're only talking about MTO3 and MTOS and one would have to do a 'differences' course on them anyway since the CofG is different. Consider the 'conversion' between these two types to be a 'differences' course and all is well.

[Thebushpilot]

Len

Here's a suggestion, if we can do exams online, why don't we start the initiative to having online applications from the instructors terminal.

When someone does a conversion, it gets processed online and sent to RAASA thus eliminating administrative issues and allowing RAASA to run more efficiently.

We'll be cutting down on postage, paper, transport and manpower required to process an application - they will still have to post the license so that may counter balance some advantages but this would improve the efficiency 10 fold.

Your thoughts?

[Gyronaut]

Brilliant Idea!

I am sure that RAASA or Stepsonline can facilitate this very easily. Give each instructor a login ID, profile and pin number (like the banks) and let him do it online, why not? If fees are payable he can simply enter the payment reference. Klaargelag. I like it a lot!

Len