Rotax 582 Stop in the Air :-(

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Re: Rotax 582 Stop in the Air :-(

Postby Turbo_Boss » Wed Jul 22, 2009 4:10 pm

Stephan van Tonder wrote:Low level - My opinion here - yes the issue with the coil is what casued your power loss that day. The damage to the pistons wasn't. Whatever went through there did so quite a while before the coil stopped it short. Those marks were there for a long time as they are all carboned up already - they are not new markings. Also whatever came off in the coil bits cannot end up inside the pistons. So the damage inside was caused by something else.
I agree with the above...........

Hey Low Level, what oil was using in that 618? If you check one of the pic you will see the piston pin has rust.

Also that carbon deposit over the piston has a strange color

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Re: Rotax 582 Stop in the Air :-(

Postby Low Level » Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:09 am

Turbo_Boss wrote:Hey Low Level, what oil was using in that 618? If you check one of the pic you will see the piston pin has rust.

Also that carbon deposit over the piston has a strange color
These pistons been lying in the hangar for almost a year. The engine was run on Castrol super outboard.
Stephan van Tonder wrote:Also whatever came off in the coil bits cannot end up inside the pistons. So the damage inside was caused by something else.
:lol: :lol: That I obviously know. There was no bits and pieces in the engine.

This happened with my hangar mate's T-bird while training. Unfortunately at that stage, he didn't know the plane that well, therefore didn't notice anything on engine performance. In retrospect, after the engine was fixed, he know can say, that for a while the engine wasn't producing full power. The final chapter was, when he couldn't get off the ground. The engine started easy, and revved well, the power just wasn't there.

What we think, is that the shafing on the coil happenned over a period, losing spark then and now on the cylinders respectively, one more than the other. Slowly the detonating damaged the pistons to the point where the engine just couldn't produce the goods anymore. The loss of ignition, and detonation, fortunately, never went to the extremes of an engine out.

I am still of the opinion, that foreign matter in the cylinder will cause markings all over the crown, not only on the edge of the pistons, and if so, it is strange that the same foreign matter was in both cylinders .
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Re: Rotax 582 Stop in the Air :-(

Postby Nkwazi » Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:30 pm

Miskiet wrote:We had a 582 fail almost exactly same way. The marks on the piston is while the offending piece of metal was bouncing around in the combustion chamber - damaging the piston. The connecting rod big end bearing failed. The copper part is probably the washers either side of the connecting rod big end - looks like one of them failed.

It will be obvious when you split the crankcase.
Was that mine by any chance??!!
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Re: Rotax 582 Stop in the Air :-(

Postby Miskiet » Tue Jul 28, 2009 2:38 pm

Yes vhpy

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