Servicing costs ??

[wiskeyfoxtrot]

Hi guys,

Can somebody help with fair costs.?
What would the fair cost be to change 4 x plugs etc on a normal 25 hour interval service?,
I think that R 650.00 is a little stiff ? Just because we are told that we cant change anything on our aeries any more, has opened us up to getting ripped off %$#@^%$.
Im not saying that the APs are not allowed to make a buck for their work, but lets be fair ?!

Comments please guys,

[extra300s]

Sounds crazy stiff. Would cost you only R120 to do. I do understand the guy has to drive there, and then get paid for his time. He proberly charged you an minimum hour rate. Should of let him do more on your trike for the remaining 40min

[Stephan van Tonder]

Not way unreasonable. Just remember guys - you don't have to use an AP - you can take it to an AMO as well. I think once you have done that you'll realise the price you paid to the AP is actually quite reasonable.....

[Morph]

Is suddenly unreasonable when in the past we were allowed to do this maintenance ourselves, which to be honest is piss easy to do.

You are allowed to do the work under supervision of an AP, i.e. he looks over your shoulder and approves the work and stamps your book.

Go look at this topic I started, think about it and give comment please

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=10848

[Tumbleweed]

I think if the AP extended his plug change to checking out k@k radio coms, inquiring about flight/ wing performance, ordering e.g. fuel filter / exhaust springs for next service and generally going over hang bolts e.t.c, I would be OK with it.

[BOATCH]

This is sad cause i stay 1.5 hours fly from the closest ap, so i need to fly 3 hours have the ap to fit 4 plugs. I have been in the motor trade for 29 years and i have to let someone else fit plugs for me.

[Cali]

Yes it is unreasonable. It is not a specialized or complicated job, he is just milking you dry. It is the same as an instructor over here in Oz who wanted to charge me $70/hour "ground school fees" and then make me watch a DVD I can buy for $20. I obviously told him to flieg in sy moer. I do not have time for people who think they can charge whatever they want just because they can. Do yourself a favor and never use him again ( if possible ) and tell all your friends that he ripped you off. There are lots of AP's out there who will give you your moneys worth and more. Like Tumbleweed said, if he checked out everything else while he was there, fair enough.

( I may be completely wrong, I do not know the exact circumstances, but I know the kind of person very well. )

[wiskeyfoxtrot]

Hi guys,

Thanks for all the input, just another example was the yearly ATF cost. The first quote was R 450.00, second quote was R 250.00, I opted for the latter.( how can there be that difference in the price ? ) The check was done properly and i paid up gladly. I dont understand the logic of not being able to change your own plugs etc. You can derig your own wing ( god forbid you make a f @%*# up there ! ) but cant do simple things ? smells like a money making scam to me.

I do understand that if you are totally non mechanical you could make a cockup, but ask a friend to help.
I am not saying that APs are not allowed to charge, but i think some are overcharging us because they can !

Dont get me wrong, the guys who trained to do the inspections etc must be able to make a living, if he has to drive out to your aerie wich is 2 hours away it is only fair that he charges,there are costs involved, but within reason.

Wish there was a set rate to for these things ( mabey ?? )

later guys

[Duck Rogers]

I think that R 650.00 is a little stiff ?

I don't think it's stiff.......I think it's flippin ridiculous and downright robbery! I don't care what ANY AP or AMO on this forum has to say about it. R650.00 to change the plugs? I think not!

[wiskeyfoxtrot]

Next bone to pick,

Flight test to get new RAASA license R 1000-00 ( holy shit !) that includes some type of written test ?
This whole thing is getting out of hand. I dont mind paying for a test but this really becoming mad.
To do my medical, flight test, RAASA fees etc is going to cost about R 2500.00 to get my new license.

Can anybody tell me if these fees are acurate ? Sorry about all the bitching but i feel that we all can learn more about this.
Morph, do you have any costs & requirements for the new RAASA licenses ??

Thanks

[Morph]

Wow, what test? Are you converting from trike to 3-axis

I agree this whole thing is getting beyond rediculous

RAASA, after presenting to our club last year and stating that there will be no additional costs to the then current licencing charges from CAA have achieved:-

1. Compulsory flight test every two years (anything from R250 to R1000) Not required in the past
2. Increase in Licence renewal fees (R300ish to R520) every two years
3. Increase in renewal of ATF (R100 to R220 per year)
4. "Compulsory" membership to Misasa or you cannot get your plane AP'd R425 per year

So this brings the NON-increase up from R0 to between R780 and R1155 per year

I understand that RAASA are now taking over the AP scheme, which does make sense. What does this mean, will there be a compulsory AP insurance contribution (this is the motivation in forcing people to join Misasa, the AP's are covered by an insurance against liability claims which is paid for by your Misasa membership so as such they are not allowed to AP non-misasa member planes)? Oh and by the way, they are the only AP's that exist, there are no non-aeroclub AP's for you to look at, unless you take your aircraft to an AMO at a moerse price. If RAASA take over the scheme then would we still be "forced" to join Misasa? The AP is the responsibility of the licencing authority, not the third party association that represents the pilots.

Note I do not have an issue against Misasa, nor being a member, it's just that Misasa and Aeroclub is an association and membership is supposed to be voluntary. It's like forcing you to join the AA or you will not be able to get your car licenced every year.

[lefssa]

You can do the basic service yourself. This was changed in the legislation early in the year. Your annual must still be done by an AP.

[Bugwar]

Next bone to pick,

Flight test to get new RAASA license R 1000-00 ( holy shit !) that includes some type of written test ?
This whole thing is getting out of hand. I dont mind paying for a test but this really becoming mad.
To do my medical, flight test, RAASA fees etc is going to cost about R 2500.00 to get my new license.

Can anybody tell me if these fees are acurate ? Sorry about all the bitching but i feel that we all can learn more about this.
Morph, do you have any costs & requirements for the new RAASA licenses ??

Thanks

There was quite a bit of confusion in the beginning about converting from WCM to LSA or CCM.
Looks like they settled on 5 hours dual and 5 hours solo (min) with no exams and you have to pass a flight test. This will be way more than R1K, so I suppose this is not what you are talking about.

If this is your "normal" flight test to renew you license (even if you had an old MPL licence), you only need to do a flight test (same as the one mentioned above) that takes about an hour. If this is your own aircraft the cost should be around R400,about the same as dual instruction, if it is a school plane it can go up to +-R750(wet).

[wiskeyfoxtrot]

Thanks Paul & all,

Thanks for clearing up the service issues. I will try to get hold of someone at RAASA to verify what is required etc from my side and will report back as soon as i have news.
Am doing my flight medical today and the the rest,

Later guys.

[Morph]

You can do the basic service yourself. This was changed in the legislation early in the year. Your annual must still be done by an AP.

Reference? Is there an AIC or something to this effect. It is not in Part 62 version 20