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SAAF - Scary

Postby AndyG » Fri Aug 08, 2008 8:23 am

The South African Air Force (SAAF) is almost powerless to defend the country from an aerial attack or control the country's skies.

The crisis of having no fighter jet cover was revealed through damning answers from the defence ministry on the cash crisis facing the defence department after questions put to it by the Democratic Alliance (DA).

The cashflow problems have revealed that the military has been rendered almost entirely powerless to repel an aerial attack against South Africa.

Of the 366 posts available for the Gripen, Hawk and Augusta helicopter programmes, which include air and ground crew, nearly half (153) are vacant.







According to military tacticians it is a well-known fact that anyone who controls the battlefield's skies controls the battle arena.

According to South Africa's leading military analyst Helmoed Heitman, the military's crippling cash crisis is what led to the early retirement of South Africa's fighter jet force, the Cheetahs, nearly four years before they were to be decommissioned.

The Cheetahs were meant to be retired between 2010 and 2012 to avoid any gap that could be created before the arrival of the Gripen.

SAAF chief Lieutenant-General Carlos Gagiano confirmed Heitman's statement, saying a lack of funding did not allow for both the Cheetah and Gripen programmes to be operated simultaneously.

The Cheetahs, which were stationed at Air Force Base Makhado in Limpopo near the Zimbabwe border, were decommissioned in April at the height of the election crisis in Zimbabwe, which has an arsenal of fighter jets.

Zimbabwe's aircraft arsenal includes an estimated six MiG23s, 18 F7s (Chinese equivalent of the MiG21) and 12 Nanchang K8 fighter jet trainers and six 6 MI35 Russian attack helicopters.

Zimbabwean fighter crew, who have been training South African fighter pilots for the past three years, are among the best on the continent, battle-hardened from that country's involvement in the Democratic Republic of Congo's crisis during the late 1990s.

The SAAF is currently operating only 24 Hawk lead-in fighter trainer jets and 12 Rooivalk attack helicopters, which have yet to be operationally tested.

Of the 16 decommissioned Cheetahs, only two two-seater Cheetah Ds are being kept operational at the SAAF's Flight Test and Development Centre in the Western Cape.

While Gagiano says if a crisis developed the Cheetahs and the Hawks would be used to repel the threat, Heitman said the Hawks had no radar system, were not supersonic and couldn't be fitted with long-range radar guided air-to-air missiles.

If the missiles were fitted they would be useless because the aircraft does not have the radar system that is required to operate such weapons.

Heitman said: "In the African context the fact that we do not have a fighter air cover means that we do not have a defence force.

"If we were told to intervene in Zimbabwe we would not be able to do anything because the Zimbabwe air force, which is very competent, has aircraft that can shoot down transport aircraft and carry out ground attacks.

"We cannot shoot down aircraft or protect our ground forces and if you cannot dominate the air you cannot operate.

"If you do not have fighter jets you are vulnerable and until such time the Gripen arrives we are toothless," he said.

Heitman said the cash crisis had led to the disappearance of the country's fighter cover and the shortage of personnel.

"It boils down to primarily a cash issue. The SAAF cannot pay the pilots and ground crew properly or fly their aircraft properly," he said.

Asked if the Rooivalk helicopter could fill the gap created by the decommissioning of the Cheetah, Heitman said there were too few and not enough money.

"While the South African army has anti-aircraft capabilities they are limited to the short-range 35mm Orelikon cannon and the short-range Starstreak anti-aircraft missile," he said.

He said there were no medium or long range anti-aircraft defence systems available yet.

Len le Roux, of the Institute of Security Studies, said according to defence policy South Africa's core military capabilities and expertise had to be maintained.

He said the situation South African found itself in showed that "we are way out of line with the policy with bad management and underfunding ensuring that we are far below the readiness levels required", he said.

He said the only solution was to urge the defence department to either change its policy, close the defence force, or put their money where its mouth is and fund it.

Le Roux said: "It is this precise reason why our defence force is run down with aircraft that cannot fly."

Gagiano admitted he was gravely concerned by the situation.

"Because of funding we had to close the Cheetah programme so that we could start the Gripen programme. The bottom line is that our funding does not allow two systems to be operated simultaneously."

On staff shortages Gagiano said it was impossible to compete with the private industry which offered R200 000 a year compared to the R48 000 offered by the SAAF.

"You just cannot fight this. It is a frantic cutthroat fight for skilled people in the aviation world. We are training people as fast as we can to stop the drain of skills and are speaking to the private industry to curb this problem," he said, adding planes were arriving all the time, with six Gripens expected in 2009.


This article was originally published on page 1 of Pretoria News on August 08, 2008
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Re: SAAF - Scary

Postby Dre'man55 » Fri Aug 08, 2008 8:47 am

That has to be the scariest thing i have heard for a while. Zim army stronger than ours :shock: :shock: :shock:
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Re: SAAF - Scary

Postby Uncle Spud Murphy » Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:02 pm

Verskoon my.

Now I really want to make a comment because I care, but I promised I wouldn't use the Forum for politics. Damn frustrating not to be able to say what I feel, but there you go (**)

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Re: SAAF - Scary

Postby Gyronaut » Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:10 pm

it IS aviation related Spud, so 'gooi mielies' bru!
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Re: SAAF - Scary

Postby AndyG » Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:23 pm

I made sure it was aviation related. I mean they state that Zimbabwe has a better equipped and battle hardened airforce than ours. The Pretoria News from what I remember when I lived there used to be fairly accurate with their reporting and figures. Just thought that it was interesting and made for a good read.

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Re: SAAF - Scary

Postby Tumbleweed » Fri Aug 08, 2008 2:24 pm

What are you guys worrying about?

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Re: SAAF - Scary

Postby The Agent » Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:31 pm

I drove through one of the army or airforce camps on Thursday my goodness it looks like alocation full of broken cars and people living in the back yards and all I thought was thank God I am not part of that force anymore as we at least had some pride.
Having lived in a SAAF house we had standards and they were high, these folks would not last 10 min in the old days.
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Postby Nkwazi » Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:38 pm

Sad, so sad.
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Re: SAAF - Scary

Postby andreb » Sun Aug 10, 2008 7:02 pm

What can I say.....

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Re: SAAF - Scary

Postby Uncle Spud Murphy » Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:08 pm

JetRanger,

Learned a new expression today, cannot pronounce it yet though Leftseat is trying. Hamba Kahle Mfwetu. Lovely words aren't they and that is my introduction to you all on this thread.

So then, this IS an aviation topic, not political, so here is my 5c worth.

I shouldn't really say this because we have let our own brand of incompetent 'ssholes fcuk up our country in less than a decade but why on earth have you allowed so many uneducated people to be in control of positions that required some minimum level of education and competence? It may be political spin to sing to the people "Bring me my Machine Gun" but machine gun bullets do not, I must repeat, do not build a nation. -xX

It's sad for me to say it, but your and soon to be my country, is crumbling like it's armed forces, but it need not crumble. There is massive amounts of talent in South Africa today, Black as well as White. What needs to be done is to bring that talent together and unite as one regardless of race or colour or the long dead apathied for that matter. As long as you continue to accept the present, your never going to improve the future. I first came to South Africa in 2004 and since then I have seen a huge change in SA but not for the good of the nation and no. I do not know the answer for South Africa, but I do know that what we are NOT doing now is NOT good for SA. I have said once before on this Forum.

South Africa has the potential of being a Gr8, Gr8 country in every way, however. We need to accept reality today in order to achieve that potential tomorrow.

Alles van die beste and HamKahle Mfwetu (^^) (^^)

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Re: SAAF - Scary

Postby John Boucher » Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:00 am

So now everybody knows WHY our beloved CAA wants all our aircraft to be airworthy..... :?:

We can cause more K@K with our slow machines than a MIG21 flying at only they know speeds.... We can loitre like an A-10, we can fly under radar, we are nominally quiet and don't really have a heat signature! They'll have to blow up all the roads to prevent us from being operational and we have the numbers! :lol:

Then of course there are the JETRANGER's than can be utilised.... (**)
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