MPL and Sport Licence

[ICEMAN]

What are the requirements to have an MPL licence changed/upgraded to the new Sport Pilots Licence.

I have a couple of trike ratings as well as a z236 (Oribi/savanah) rating in my logbook and want to get another three axis rating that will fall into the Sport Pilots Licence rating........

What happens to my Oribi/Savanah rating that was obtained with my MPL, and what/how/where is the procedure to get an SPL rating on an A/C i have my eye on for a possible future purchase- is it just a convex with a rated instructor or a whole new course????

[Tailspin]

I would also like to know about the Sport pilots license.

I think i am gonna put my VP through on that as it just falls outside the MPL license.

[skybound®]

I have found the proposal documents for the Sport Licence - but cannot find any indication that it made it to the promulgation level. Promulgated Part 62 makes no reference to such a licence. Can also not find any of the other suggested changes that were in that proposal document.

As Part 62 was promulgated in June last year, you need only look at Gazettes after that date. I have done a full text search through the gazettes and cant find diddly.

Can someone provide the gazette number where this Sport licence was promulgated? I am beginning to believe that the licence so many are touting as being in place - is not at all. But then again my surname is Thomas and we know how they have a rep for being doubting

[skybound®]

Thought I had better provide my research as some backup for my statement.

This is from the proposal:

SCHEDULE 9
9.0 PROPOSAL TO AMEND REGULATION 62.01.5 OF PART 62 OF THE CIVIL
AVIATION REGULATIONS (AIRWORTHINESS DATA)
9.1It is proposed to amend regulation 145.03.17 of the Regulations by (a)
The substitution for paragraph (e) of the following paragraph:
“62.01.5 (e) paragliders, including powered paragliders and powered
paratrikes”.
And (b) the insertion of pa the following paragraph after paragraph (e)
(f) light sport aeroplanes
9.2 MOTIVATION:
To correct terms and to provide for subpart 16 light sport aeroplanes

This is what was promulgated last year:

62.01.5 The category ratings comprise -
(a) conventional microlight aeroplanes;
(b) weight-shift controlled microlight aeroplanes
(c) gyroplanes and gyrogliders with a maximum all-up mass of 2 000 kg
or less;
(d) hang-gliders, including powered hang-gliders; and
(e) paragliders, including powered paragliders and powered
parachutes.

So the proposal (addition of para (f) ) was never inserted for promulgation. Or have I missed the boat somewhere?

[Chunky]

I just hope they get the thing sorted an Law before June 2008.

There are going to be plenty of people who are not going to be able to fly their aircraft on MPL licenses after 1 June 2008.(Cheetah, Jabs, JK's etc)

I was at CAA last week and to date there was no movement yet on the SPL or RPL whatever its called. That means the concerned parties will be forced to have PPL's to fly the respective aircraft.

As far as the conversion is concerned there seems to be consensus at CAA that you will get 10 hours credit from your MPL. You will need to do the balance of the 35 hours training required by the then approved instructors. The sylabus is the same as the PPL's except no IF training and no Exams at CAA (Thank the Lord).

Honestly I cant see them getting it in place untill end of next year at best. They still need to sort out what LSA rules they going to follow. USA have 120kt and 600kg limits with no VP props and no Retract. Europe may opt for 750 kg MTOW a higher TAS cruise speed and no limit on VP props or retract.

Can you imaging the chaos when a MPL pilot arrives with a SPL application and an ATF application for his rotax with 300 hours on it. Mass confusion, fighting, kicking screaming and punching.

[ICEMAN]

As far as the conversion is concerned there seems to be consensus at CAA that you will get 10 hours credit from your MPL. You will need to do the balance of the 35 hours training required by the then approved instructors. The sylabus is the same as the PPL's except no IF training and no Exams at CAA

So does that mean that the SPL/RPL will require an extra 35hrs training from 1st June on something we can fly/own right now........ ie so im considered competant till that date and then i become incompetant until ive done an extra 35hrs........


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There are going to be plenty of people who are not going to be able to fly their aircraft on MPL licenses after 1 June 2008.(Cheetah, Jabs, JK's etc)

what incentive then is there for any student to enrol today at any training school up until 1st June for a "qualification" that will become dissolve within a few months.... this looks like the next "issue" to ground us...... :evil


The rotax 300hr issue/argument always seemed to be "oh, but it was always a requirement, it was ALWAYS the law"....... this will be a brand new law- what argument will be used for this

[skybound®]

There are going to be plenty of people who are not going to be able to fly their aircraft on MPL licenses after 1 June 2008.(Cheetah, Jabs, JK's etc)

Honestly I cant see them getting it in place untill end of next year at best.

If it is new regulations as I suspect it is, it will take some time. Too much for CAA and ourselves to digest at this point with the 1 Jan regulations and think many parties would be hesitant to add more to the current landscape.

As far as 1 June - I think one needs to be cautious here. I think what is being said is that it will only be policed from 1 June - as far as the law is concerned (and insurance companies) it is already law - promulgated along with the rest of 62 on 1 Jan. To the best of my knowledge there is no notam or official document delaying the implementation of any part or subpart of 62.

[Morph]

The havoc is already starting.

In the meantime Mike Cathrow has started by not allowing Bush Babies to be registered as a Microlight. There are very few 3-axis aircraft today that are under the 260KG empty weight, even with a 582 motor in them. The next time you apply for an ATF you will be required to have the plane weighed at an AMO and if over 260kg it is registered as a light aircraft and you will need a PPL to fly it.

This is the end of my flying career, I simply do not have the R25 to 35K to go and do another 35 hours training to fly a plane I already have 30 hours on under my MPL and 180 hours in total on 3-axis Microlights

So the entire population of 3-axis pilots who fly any of the modern planes are about to be grounded and there is no interim solution other than to get your PPL

Frankly if a PPL is 45 hours and a Sport Pilot licence us 45 hours then why do the Sport Pilot thing. I do not see the logic and I am highly depressed at the moment.

2nd hand slightly bent Bush Baby for sale

[rainier]

The havoc is already starting.

In the meantime Mike Cathrow has started by not allowing Bush Babies to be registered as a Microlight. There are very few 3-axis aircraft today that are under the 260KG empty weight, even with a 582 motor in them. The next time you apply for an ATF you will be required to have the plane weighed at an AMO and if over 260kg it is registered as a light aircraft and you will need a PPL to fly it.

Jora with 582 is 245Kg with normal class cockpit instruments and engine topped up with all fluids at max level.

Jora with 503 is around 10Kg less.
Jora with HKS is expected to fall comfortably below the 260Kg as well.
Jora with 912 does not make the cut - too heavy.

Original 503 Jora was 225Kg - but weight has increased since then due to new landing gear and some construction modifications.

No need to throw away the MPL just yet...

Rainier

[Boet]

I spoke to an AME yesterday, he says this is bullshit. He does not want to be drawn into dealing with NTCA. If CAA want to start weighing, they must bring their own scales and start weighing. BUT then NO exeptions should be made. This whole sorry-ass situation is very disheartening. Why not bring this "Sport-Pilot licence" more within reach. This is our SPORT.

[Boet]

It is not AM any more. It is now MC.

[Badger]

Will we now have to reregister our aircraft as light aircraft if the empty weight is above 260kg or will it automatically be done or assumed to be so? Empty weight for a Sanannah with 912 is 272kg.

[Wargames]

Is this issue on the "to do list" of the misasa and aeroclub guys for the meeting with CAA!! Surely this is as bad as the part 24 thing!



This is actually a extension of the "Is this the end of microlighting is sa??" topic. This is a killer.

[Aerosan]

Interesting how you can be competed one minute and not so the next It looks more and more like a great big scheme to stop GA altogether. The guys in bliks must start looking out they are next in line. I don't know how or where or when but mark my words. Guys I think the time has come..............
Hat coat door ticket to Aussieland.

[KFA]

The is a load of crap!!!I have been struggeling for four months now to find someone to do my PPL conversion on my Bushbaby. There is nobody in the Nelspruit area. The funny thing is I will be flying with the Bushbaby to whoever to give me the conversion