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Re: Justin's Raven

Postby justin.schoeman » Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:04 pm

OK - Finally got some work done this last weekend, after the rain, wind and holidays of the past few weeks.

The oil pressure is much lower now, but fractionally lower now. Within acceptable levels, but I would prefer a bit higher, so I turned the regulator up one turn for the next run.

Unfortunately, even with the lower oil pressure, the oil seal on the prop hub is still leaking, so I will have to decide what to do. The leak is very small - some people have advised to just leave it, and monitor, seeing as VWs are supposed to leak oil anyway ;) . The other options are to try and pull the hub with the engine mounted. It is easy to do, BUT there is locktite on the taper, and if I pull the hub, some of this dust will drop into the crank case. And then I still have to clean the taper properly, down the centre of a long bearing. Challenging to do it properly... The remaining option is one I dread - yank the engine, and redo it again...

I have also replaced the offending carb thingamajig. It is better, but the carb still sticks at some needle positions. I am running out of ideas here too... Will see what the factory says.
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Re: Justin's Raven

Postby Jean Crous » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:40 pm

:twisted: Justin, "Rev-right Motors" says : " Ry hom reg swaer, ry hom reg !! :lol:
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Re: Justin's Raven

Postby Boet » Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:50 am

Justin, jy is wragtig een van die geduldigste mense wat ek ken. As ek so moet sukkel was daai ^$#&#$^ se enjin al lankal in n boot!! ## ## ## ## ## ## (^^)
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Re: Justin's Raven

Postby t-bird » Sun Feb 03, 2013 2:41 pm

Any news from the factory?
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Re: Justin's Raven

Postby AndyCAP » Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:24 pm

Wow Justin you have my sympathy. Only by reading this I'm getting frustrated!! I have always liked the idea of going for a VW (or other car) engine in a homebuilt but it seems to be way toomuch hassle. (Perhaps except for oupa's BMW). I think you should perhaps do more ground running with the engine as is and monitor the leak. All engines sweat a little from time to time at some or other place.

Jean what does your boet say? He built a few VW's in his time (also the one in Tomlinson's plane at swellendam not so? )

There must be someone with VW aero application experience who can give you exPerienced advice?

My feeling is just that every time you open the engine you stand a chance of causing some damage or running into some or other snag.

(My) Talk is cheap though.... At least you have built a plane which is way more than i have managed...I have not even been flying over the past yearstrongs boet!
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Re: Justin's Raven

Postby justin.schoeman » Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:20 am

OK. Finished the last required break in run this weekend.

Oil pressure is better, but I can probably turn it up one more turn (aim for 40PSI@3000RPM). I replaced the carb needle with a leaner one (so that it is adjusted further out at optimal mixture setting). Still slightly sticky at some mixture settings, but looking very good. With the break-in runs completed, I will spend next Saturday with fine tuning, and hopefully get everything sorted out.

34 minutes on the Hobbs now, and no measurable drop in oil level yet, but there is always a fine mist of fresh oil on the hub after every 5 minute run.

The engine does feel really good though. Smooth and powerful. Throttles nicely, idles nicely. After the last break-in run was done, I needed to let the engine cool a little before shutting down, so I puttered around the airfield a little - including a few full power runs on the cross runway. Gives a nice, solid push on the back as you push the throttle forward.

Let us see what next weekend brings.
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Re: Justin's Raven

Postby justin.schoeman » Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:22 am

t-bird wrote:Any news from the factory?
The factory is out of ideas. I need to return the carb (at my expense) for further testing. I will try see what I can do by tweaking the needles first.
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Re: Justin's Raven

Postby justin.schoeman » Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:47 am

AndyCAP wrote:Wow Justin you have my sympathy. Only by reading this I'm getting frustrated!! I have always liked the idea of going for a VW (or other car) engine in a homebuilt but it seems to be way toomuch hassle. (Perhaps except for oupa's BMW). I think you should perhaps do more ground running with the engine as is and monitor the leak. All engines sweat a little from time to time at some or other place.

Jean what does your boet say? He built a few VW's in his time (also the one in Tomlinson's plane at swellendam not so? )

There must be someone with VW aero application experience who can give you exPerienced advice?

My feeling is just that every time you open the engine you stand a chance of causing some damage or running into some or other snag.

(My) Talk is cheap though.... At least you have built a plane which is way more than i have managed...I have not even been flying over the past yearstrongs boet!
Yeah. I would definitely do it differently next time. I still think the VW is a good option, but I would never buy second hand again - you just never know what you are getting. Other options are not much better. Rotax prices are simply obscene. Jabiru is much better price wise, but apparently also takes a lot of tweaking to get the installation just right. Most other engine types have a reputation for unreliability.

BMW also looks good, but has issues too. Just see the failures Oupa-G has had. Apparently the thunderbird has also picked up a vibration problem. There is no truely plug-and-play automotive conversion. Viking looks good, but is expensive (and if you see the problems with Jan's first gen Subie engines, you would also be wary of his first gen Honda engines). ASE and Skywalker look promising, but without a large user base, you will never get a good idea of their quality.

As to continued ground runs, that is a problem. With a new aircooled engine, you are walking a fine line between cooking and glazing the cylinders. Too little power, and you glaze them. Too much power and you cook them. I have fitted BIG baffles for ground runs, but I am running in the '5 minute take-off' CHT temp limits for the break in runs.
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Re: Justin's Raven

Postby Jean Crous » Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:29 pm

And then there is Revmaster, factory assembled, factory dyno tuned, factory run in. Take it out the box, plug-and-play (^^) (^^) Delivering the real rated HP :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Sorry Justin, I could not resist the temptation........... :wink:
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Re: Justin's Raven

Postby justin.schoeman » Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:13 pm

In the end, the #2.5 needle seems to be ideal. Both for mixture range, and offset (in the end, it seems the taper offset of the needle is fairly random, and has nothing to do with mixture). Also spent some nervous time with a timing light, behind a spinning prop. Very nervous work, but timing is now pretty close (gave up when all 4 ignitions were within 1 degree of each other).

It also seems that with the #2.5 needle, my engine becomes one of those that do not run well at full throttle. The last 5mm of throttle decrease RPM by 150, and swing the EGT all the way to #2 bank. The AeroInjector manual mentions this as a possibility, but it caught me out, as it did not happen with the #2 needle. I have added a throttle stop to cap the throttle where the engine is running at peak RPM.

All round, the engine is running beautifully now (although we won't mention the oil sweat from the front bearing...).

The test pilot took it for some taxi testing today. His first comment was that it 'buggers off'. He is very happy with the power and acceleration. Even 2 up, it makes 50 knots in ~200m (that was the fastest we would risk in taxi testing).

Aside from that, he was not too happy with the amount of rudder required. It is a left hand prop, and requires a lot of left rudder pressure to keep it straight at full power. We did some measurements to check the thrust line (this is a second hand engine mount, that I assume is correct). The engine mount does seem to be correct, with a healthy left offset. So somehow this little VW is producing enough torque to overcome the thrust offset, and still require a bootfull of rudder... Chatted to Carl and the test pilot, and both are happy that there will be enough rudder (if there is enough at low speed, it will only become more effective as speed increases). I will bring all my gear out to the field next weekend and recheck all the rigging - just to make 100% sure everything is OK. Will hopefully also have the AP out next weekend to finish the sign-outs, and sign the ATF applications!

Anyway, here are some videos of the test pilot taxiing the plane. My first opportunity to see the plane from the outside, looking (and sounding) like a real aeroplane!

Taxiing out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdgxY7a-eSw

Taxi run:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvj57nMZV8s
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Re: Justin's Raven

Postby justin.schoeman » Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:32 pm

One other thing - those unintended consequences again... Seeing as I built the engine with a lower compression ratio this time, the barrels are longer, and the heads now hit the cowl. I only saw this, when I saw some cracks on the existing bumps. So I also have the cowl off to add some new bumps to accomodate the wider engine...
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Re: Justin's Raven

Postby AndyCAP » Sun Feb 17, 2013 8:09 pm

Awesome stuff Justin!! She really sounds cool!! Getting really close now ! All the best vhpy
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Re: Justin's Raven

Postby German » Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:14 pm

Sounds just like the old Fleetline V/W kombis vhpy vhpy
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Re: Justin's Raven

Postby justin.schoeman » Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:22 pm

German wrote:Sounds just like the old Fleetline V/W kombis vhpy vhpy
A pair of 2 into 1 straight pipes give it the classic VW beat, but with a bit of an edge. Every now and then, I goose the throttle when taxiing, just to hear the bark ;) .
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Re: Justin's Raven

Postby justin.schoeman » Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:22 pm

AndyCAP wrote:Awesome stuff Justin!! She really sounds cool!! Getting really close now ! All the best vhpy
Thanks Andy. Looking forward to it!

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