582 Autolube disconnection

[Boet]

Ducks, vertel bietjie vir ons ook HOEKOM jou enjin se autolube opgepak het. Dalk is daarin vir ons ander ook iets om te leer.

[tandemtod1]

Hi Boet,
I agree with your oil specs and your statement of "by the book" but for all of those out there that want to disconnect their autolube because they know that the book is wrong and they are far cleverer than the engine manufacturers who have honed there skills both academically and practically but still don't know squat, they must also realise that super outboard and other full synthetics are specified by the aforementioned geeks because the engine runs an autolube system. And these oils are not correct if you are running a premix. Hence the different spec for the non autolube engines not withstanding the fact that they are air cooled. So you need to change your oil spec to something more suitable. But then we didn't really have to tell them that, did we?

[Smiley]

Hi Boet,
I agree with your oil specs and your statement of "by the book" but for all of those out there that want to disconnect their autolube because they know that the book is wrong and they are far cleverer than the engine manufacturers who have honed there skills both academically and practically but still don't know squat, they must also realise that super outboard and other full synthetics are specified by the aforementioned geeks because the engine runs an autolube system. And these oils are not correct if you are running a premix. Hence the different spec for the non autolube engines not withstanding the fact that they are air cooled. So you need to change your oil spec to something more suitable. But then we didn't really have to tell them that, did we?

[Boet]

Smiley, I rest my case. Carry on regardless.....

[tandemtod1]

If by looking down you will help save a life, then look I say. There are none so deaf as those that will not hear. There are none so blind etc etc etc.
The only Agenda is safety, none other.

The autolube pump on a 2 stroke is a very simple port type pump and is continuously imersed in very expensive high quality oil and will not fail. It will last the lifetime of the engine and then some. It is not unreasonable for this item to have an indefinite lifetime and need not be replaced when you overhaul the engine. The only wat to damage this pump during it's normal service life is to feed it one tint speck of abrasive dirt and it will be stuffed fairly quickly. We go to great lengths and place many posts about fuel filters and there respective virtues, but what are you doing to ensure that you oil resovoir is and remains spotless. Never put oil in when it's windy, there will be dust in the air. Make sure your oil container has the lid off for the minimum amount of time. Take these basic precautions and you will NEVER have an autolube pump fail.
Stop blaming the pump and start blaming the pump jockey for the failures. Dumping the pump is not a solution. Premix is daft on a 582

[Smiley]

If by looking down you will help save a life, then look I say. There are none so deaf as those that will not hear. There are none so blind etc etc etc.
The only Agenda is safety, none other.

The autolube pump on a 2 stroke is a very simple port type pump and is continuously imersed in very expensive high quality oil and will not fail. It will last the lifetime of the engine and then some. It is not unreasonable for this item to have an indefinite lifetime and need not be replaced when you overhaul the engine. The only wat to damage this pump during it's normal service life is to feed it one tint speck of abrasive dirt and it will be stuffed fairly quickly. We go to great lengths and place many posts about fuel filters and there respective virtues, but what are you doing to ensure that you oil resovoir is and remains spotless. Never put oil in when it's windy, there will be dust in the air. Make sure your oil container has the lid off for the minimum amount of time. Take these basic precautions and you will NEVER have an autolube pump fail.
Stop blaming the pump and start blaming the pump jockey for the failures. Dumping the pump is not a solution. Premix is daft on a 582

So true!!

Thanks for your input tandemtod1

[Boet]

thanks mate. at last someone that understands.........SAFETY. Sigh.

[Biggles]

Is it possible to retro fit a autolub to a 503? I never looked very closely at the system on 582, can if just be bolted on?

[tandemtod1]

Hi Biggles,
It is possible to fit an autolube system to a 503 but it is not possible to utilise the 582 parts.
The 582 has a gear between the two conrods on the crankshaft which drives a shaft at 90 degrees to the crankshaft. This shaft is responsible for driving the water pump, the rotary valve and the oil pump. The 503 has none of this equipment so the 582 oil system parts are very specific to that engine.
However, Rotax manufacture a 503UL both with and without an autolube system but from a cost point of view I doubt if it is practical to retrofit this system to your 503 because right now our friends in Edenvale have a new prototype airplane to pay for.
The main differences between the 503 without the autolube and the one with autolube are:
The fitment of the pump is on the pull starter end of the crank so the pull starter is removed and replaced with a backplate that houses the pump and an electric starter. So you will need to dump the pull starter and buy the backplate, pump, electric starter and pump drive system.
The only way to do this economically would be to rob the parts from a stuffed motor but I have never seen one of these motors in South Africa. I am not even sure if Aviation Engines bring them in or whether this engine is still available. The last time I read up on this was 2006 because I had the same question you asked

[IceAge]

Also agree that the Autoloube is proven and works well and will not take it off my plane

As part of my maintenance routine I also replace the oil filter between the two-stroke oil reservoir and the pump with every service............ mayby overkill I just feel better knowing it is clean and no dirt gets to the pump

[tandemtod1]

Hi Iceage,
When you are doing a service it's not really extra PT to replace the filter that you refer to and the cost is low compared to the peace of mind you get so I would consider it excellent preventative maintenance and deffinitely not overkill. You would be amazed at how many 582's out there that are operating with no filter between the resovoir and the pump. If you ensure that no dirt gets to the pump it will last almost forever. A friend of mine let the resovoir get empty on his and seized his engine so he says it's a lousy system and removed it and now premixes. Go figure! To each his own I suppose.

[grostek]

Take these basic precautions and you will NEVER have an autolube pump fail.
Stop blaming the pump and start blaming the pump jockey for the failures. Dumping the pump is not a solution. Premix is daft on a 582

Hi tandemtod1,

Thank you for taking the time to explain the reasons for keeping the pump.

Much appreciated.

Kind regards,

Gunter Rostek