Are we screwed?

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I will:

Ground my aircraft
4
8%
Arrange to get my aircraft compliant before 1 Jan
5
10%
Fly illegally
26
52%
No idea what you are talking about
2
4%
My aircraft is already compliant and I have no worries for now
13
26%
 
Total votes: 50
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Postby skybound® » Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:56 pm

Henni wrote:a Fine, well known, higly technical and well respected gentleman from the place I fly from has already joined the ranks of these inspectors, so not all of them will be palukas. They DO pose a serious threat to those operating illegaly.
Bang on Henni. I have heard of one or two of our peers (respected Microlighters) South of the Vaal, having joined the ranks of these inspectors too - so it is people who do know what is required etc and they appear to have a national footprint.

Suppose with those promulgated fines - it does give motivation to actively police the regulations.
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Postby mike2flyfar » Wed Dec 12, 2007 3:08 pm

I know it seems like nothing is happening but believe me there are a number of people working on these problems every day.
Unfortunately, like Rudi says these things take time - they are regulations and in my dealings with CAA and CARCOM over the last 2 years I have had to learn to be patient ...
Still, we all realize the urgency of the situation (I am only too aware that Jan 1 is just around the corner) and that is why Neil and Stan are pushing so hard to get the working group going.
I have just had a call from Neil and he is about to send me something in writing about Part 24 which we will post. I will also add my comments - as explanation where necessary.
So what can you do - well, support those who are trying to sort this out and if you have any suggestions or would like to help then get in touch.
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Postby skybound® » Wed Dec 12, 2007 3:54 pm

Hi Mike

I will help in any way possible. I have made all the suggestions and comments on the issues etc that I can for now. If there is anything else I can do - you know where to find me.

Dont take it that we think nothing is being done - we know the contary - the concern is - will it be in time :?:
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Postby nicow » Wed Dec 12, 2007 4:29 pm

I'll just fly the new year in...,and keep on flying-with or without the ATF,so it is better if they give me one,but it won't stop me if I don't have one.
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Postby John Young » Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:51 pm

mike2flyfar wrote:I know it seems like nothing is happening but believe me there are a number of people working on these problems every day.

So what can you do - well, support those who are trying to sort this out and if you have any suggestions or would like to help then get in touch.
Hi Mike,

Like most, I am obliged for all the hard work. Goodness knows if you weren’t doing it, who would be :?:

I think that the points P@ss@ng the mere mortal amateur pilot off are –

1. SACAA trying to “fix something” that wasn’t broken in the first place (language proficiency is just one example – I ask you!!). These new regulations have resulted in an unnecessary and huge wastage of man hours. :twisted:

2. The constant see-sawing to and fro with misinformation. Now we got it – now we don’t - Eish :!: :twisted:

3. Deadlines not being met by SACAA (false promises) – a week to their shut down and utter chaos still abounds and grows daily. :twisted:

4. Second hand trike and 3-axis prices tumbling within the confusion and uncertainty. :twisted:

5. SACAA - general inefficiencies and incompetence (switchboard and processing of routine documentation are just two examples). :twisted: :twisted:

6. Certain peer group/s amongst us who might or might not have hidden agendas. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Like most, I just want to fly for fun. Thanks again for all the hard work. !!!!

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Postby cobra » Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:24 pm

Thanks Mike, at this stage it seems that "flying as usual" will be the option until we receive and answer from MISASA / Aero Club :?:
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Postby Duck Rogers » Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:43 pm

My aircraft is already compliant and I have a valid ATF till end September 2008.
Maybe they will be able to sort out the crap by then :shock:
As for scheduled maintenance.........there are ways and means :twisted:
Uhmm......whose contact lens is this?
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Postby skybound® » Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:42 am

Wow this is a bumpy ride.

Today, after seeing the CAA statements delaying big parts of 61 and 62, I am a bit more optimistic that maybe we will see relief on 24 before this time next week.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Just to plant a seed into those who voted to fly illegally - just go to the accident/incident reports on either this web, AvCom, or CAA and just think to yourself - did any of those people start of that flight with the intention of having and accident?

If you are illlegal when you do have an accident, not only do you put your own life at risk, but could, if in a serious or fatal accident put your families futures at risk too.

Even if a minor accident, not only will you have a repair bill, but a hefty fine to add.

Sobering and to the point - it just aint worth it.
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Postby RudiGreyling » Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:22 am

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Postby merlo » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:21 pm

I have not much numbers hour onmy trikeplane I talk too the watch who tell the number and I say he mustnot count alot,,,or I will cutt of his wires more.
That my number is 15only more end everyear Good????
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Postby Henni » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:35 pm

Hi Merlo,

Yes, bragging about being a flying ace with many, many flying hours experience in the future could be a costly thing. Best to be humble in this case. :lol:

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Postby skybound® » Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:14 pm

So looks like my pessimistic view was in fact correct - no relief to Part 24. Damn - this time I really wanted to be wrong :?

So looks like over 50% of our pilots have decided to go the illegal route. Guess at least they were honest, but the downsides are many.

Once illegal activities begin, it could breed a culture we could do with out. If you are part of the illegals also know that your medical aid and any insurance may not pay out - also if damage or injury to third party, kiss your livelihoods away.

The grounded okes - is also going to hurt. APs will be used less, less spares ordered, less flying. Also not good for the sport. Well except for the oils that may be ordered to do a correct inhibitting of your motors.
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Postby ICEMAN » Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:55 pm

I see many hobbs meters beaking and working very intemitantly within the next year :roll: ..... they are after all optinal items for us :wink:

Contact lense anyone :?:
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So now to summarise –

Postby John Young » Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:28 pm

skybound ® wrote:So looks like my pessimistic view was in fact correct - no relief to Part 24.
Hi,

So now to summarise –

1. No owner maintenance (unless supervised)
2. Language proficiency (back again)
3. Transponders (back on the table for discussion)
4. Class 1 Medicals for every pilot (latest SACAA suggestion)

Is this your contact lens :?:

Thank goodness for the hard work of a few lobbying for us recreational amateur pilots.

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Postby skybound® » Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:46 pm

ICEMAN wrote:I see many hobbs meters beaking and working very intemitantly within the next year :roll: ..... they are after all optinal items for us :wink:

Contact lense anyone :?:
May have been said in jest, but now there is an idea. Many tin can aircraft base their maintenance on tachometer hours and not hobbs. Tach runs normally at about 75% of hobbs. With the cost of running a 2 stroke 25% extra hobbs is not to be sneezed at.

Maybe time to find out if tachs are available for micros.

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