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582 Water Temperature

Postby Smiley » Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:21 am

Hello everyone

Can anybody please advise me on the following:

1) Minimum water temperature before take-off?
2) Maximum temperature that the water can rise to before you should start to get worried?

Thanks!
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Re: 582 Water Temperature

Postby Bennie Vorster » Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:27 am

Smiley wrote:Hello everyone

Can anybody please advise me on the following:

1) Minimum water temperature before take-off?
2) Maximum temperature that the water can rise to before you should start to get worried?

Thanks!
:arrow: Minumum 50 Deg Celsuis
:arrow: Normal operating temp 80 Deg
:arrow: Worrrie 90 Deg.

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Re: 582 Water Temperature

Postby Smiley » Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:30 am

Bennie Vorster wrote:
Smiley wrote:Hello everyone

Can anybody please advise me on the following:

1) Minimum water temperature before take-off?
2) Maximum temperature that the water can rise to before you should start to get worried?

Thanks!
:arrow: Minumum 50 Deg Celsuis
:arrow: Normal operating temp 80 Deg
:arrow: Worrrie 90 Deg.

Cheers

:wink: :wink: :wink:
Thanks for the quick reply and info!! :wink: :wink:
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Re: 582 Water Temperature

Postby Rudix » Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:05 am

Bennie Vorster wrote:
Smiley wrote:Hello everyone

Can anybody please advise me on the following:

1) Minimum water temperature before take-off?
2) Maximum temperature that the water can rise to before you should start to get worried?

Thanks!
:arrow: Minumum 50 Deg Celsuis
:arrow: Normal operating temp 80 Deg
:arrow: Worrrie 90 Deg.

Cheers

:wink: :wink: :wink:
Hi Bennie,

Are you sure about these figures ?

This is what I got from the manual :

7. Coolant temperature on ROTAX 582 UL DCDI / mod. 99:
max. ............................................ 80 C ................... (175° F)
min. ............................................. 65 C ................... (150° F)

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Postby Smiley » Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:13 pm

I've asked Amith to give me the figures, so here they are:

10)Operating parameters
1. Speed:
Take-off speed ......................................6800 RPM max. 5 min
Take-off speed at 582 UL DCDI 40 ......6400 RPM max. 5 min
cruising speed ......................................6500 RPM
cruising speed at 582 UL DCDI 40 ......6000 RPM
Idle speed .............................................ca. 2000 RPM
2. Take off Performance (ISA): (International Standard
Atmosphere)
02970
02971
02846
3. Oil capacity of oil injection lubrication at 1500 rpm pump
speed per outlet
4. Cylinder head temperature (reading at spark plug seat):
5. Exhaust gas temperatures:
447 UL SCDI 503 UL DCDI 582 UL DCDI mod. 99
29,5 kW 37 kW 40 kW 48 kW 48 kW
582 UL DCDI
cm3/h cu.in/h cm3/h cu.in/h
max. 192 11,7 max. 135 8,2
503 UL DCDI 582 UL DCDI / mod. 99
02972
dimension °C °F °C °F °C °F
max. 650 1200 650 1200
normal 460-580 860-1000 500-620 930-1150
difference between
cyl. 1 and 2 max. 25 43 max. 25 43
447 UL SCDI 503 UL DCDI 582 UL DCDI mod. 99
dimension °C °F °C °F °C °F
max. 260 500 250 480 150 300
normal 190-230 374-446 180-220 350 - 430 110 -130 230 - 270
difference between
cyl. 1 and 2
max.
20 36 max. 20 34 max. 10 16
447 UL SCDI 503 UL DCDI 582 UL DCDI / mod. 99
d04094
page 10 - 2
Jan. 01/2007
Effectivity: 447 SCDI, 503 DCDI,
582 DCDI
OM Edition 1 / Rev. 0
BRP-Rotax
6. Engine start, operating temperature:
max. ............................................ 50 °C ................... (120° F)
min. ............................................. - 25 °C................... (- 13° F)
7. Coolant temperature on ROTAX 582 UL DCDI / mod. 99:
max. ............................................ 80 °C ................... (175° F)
min. ............................................. 65 °C ................... (150° F)
8. Fuel pressure:
max. ............................................ 0,4 bar ................ (6 psi)
min. ............................................. 0,2 bar ................ (3 psi)
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Postby RudiGreyling » Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:38 pm

Yuck that formatting Sucks... :twisted: my eyes go squint and I still can't figure some of it out... :shock:
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Postby Smiley » Wed Oct 31, 2007 4:00 pm

RudiGreyling wrote:Yuck that formatting Sucks... :twisted: my eyes go squint and I still can't figure some of it out... :shock:
Then RTFM....... :twisted: :twisted:
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Postby cobra » Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:22 am

Hi Smiley, warm-up to 60C (5min), in the cruise it is steady at 70C, do not exceed 80C
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Agreed

Postby John Young » Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:44 am

cobra wrote:Hi Smiley, warm-up to 60C (5min), in the cruise it is steady at 70C, do not exceed 80C
Agreed - not below 60° C and not above 80° C – I cruise at 65° C.

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Postby Smiley » Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:46 am

cobra wrote:Hi Smiley, warm-up to 60C (5min), in the cruise it is steady at 70C, do not exceed 80C
Thanks Sias

I've taken up a passenger the other day and the water temperature was about 80.

That was in normal cruise at about 6000rpm...! I think a big passenger spoils the airflow over the radiotors....?

This was a big oke! :shock: :shock:
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Postby cobra » Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:52 am

The cruise rpm sound :shock: = 80C

KYK (Wing Spirit 15) cruises at 5000 rpm 70C 12 l/h 55mph and 2 up 5300 70C 13 l/h
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Postby Smiley » Thu Nov 01, 2007 9:11 am

cobra wrote:The cruise rpm sound :shock: = 80C

KYK (Wing Spirit 15) cruises at 5000 rpm 70C 12 l/h 55mph and 2 up 5300 70C 13 l/h
One up: 5800 rpm

My 3 bladed prop has a small diameter.

The Gemini keeltube comes about 500mm passed the prop. This causes the wires from the trapisium bar to the keeltube at the back to go low over the prop, hense you cannot swing large props :wink:
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Postby Abe » Fri Nov 09, 2007 11:12 pm

Hello Smiley!
If you start to lose coolant, fit a new (higher pressure spec ;-) radiator cap.) If you still lose coolant on max climb, then start to worry.
Engines work more efficient and cleaner at higher temps.
I ran my old Rattex 532 with the small radiators hot and lean all of its 660 hours and only retired it when the ignition started failing.
Is your thermometer calibrated? Dunk the probe in boiling water and see if you get 100 deg (say 90 deg at reef altitude)
Radiator pressure should still keep it from boiling below 115 deg or so.
Fill with DISTILLED water and GLYCOL antifreeze 50/50.
Fly, man, do not worry about things that do not give off smoke!
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Re: 582 Water Temperature

Postby Graham Mac » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:20 am

Fly, man, do not worry about things that do not give off smoke!
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