Part 24 is active. Is you Authority to fly still valid?

[DieselFan]

Here's a copy of the maintenance schedule I mentioned earlier

[ICEMAN]

43.02.5(1) Unless the Commissioner has approved I writing, an aircraft and it’s components and installed equipment shall be overhauled or substituted at such times as recommended or specified by it’s manufacturer

Have i missed the plot somewhere? The manufacturers documents for all rotax engines speceify that ALL maintanace must be done by an "approved person", yes "ALL", including plugs........ to date as NTC owners, the CAA has allowed us to do our own routine maintainance (and AP the a/c once a year) which is thus in direct opposition to the manufacturers "approved persons" clause.......... so where do we stand now, can i change my own plugs or do i need an approved agent to do such? coz if i need an approved agent i see huge increases in the industry prices for mobile "approved persons" to change plugs every day.

[skybound®]

Iceman - you have not missed a thing - it is in fact worse. Even if the rotax documentation did not mention it - Part 24 only allows a pilot to undertake emergency/en route maintenance. All other mainteanance must be carried out by an AMO/AME or someone approved by an AMO.

Literally there is no difference between TCA and NTCA now in SA.

[ICEMAN]

Literally there is no difference between TCA and NTCA now in SA

Then how are the agents going to warrant the price differances between the same two products apart from their certifications..... eg the cost of a certified 582 vs a ntc 582....... Will insurance companies cuts some slack towards the NTC flying pilots seeing as its "the same" as the TC engines wrt services and maintanance..... yah right pull the other one

As it is, one cant even get two AP`s to agree on the existing/ old laws...... dont even let me go down this road of contradictions regarding the requirements depending on which school they represent, what one AP b;atently refuses to sign off, another one gladly does, and the third one doesnt know about it....

Does this mean that the CAA is withdrawing the bit that states the owner can tinker and service as needed.

How will the caa "police" this system?....... the country cant even police and manage servious and viloent crimes, who is going to police this one? ........ Kinda like trying to get each and every taxi road-worthy ....


My point is........ what exactly is the point for these changes? safer planes? safer pilots? safer A/P`s? .....

The point of the new driver licence credit cards was to stop licence fraud.... yah right- still ongoing!

The point of the new firearms laws was to stop shootings and robberies.... yah right...... wrong people forced to comply!

So whos idea is this and what do they hope to achieve, and most importantly will the plan of action result in the desired effect??

[ICEMAN]

Looking at the table above wrt service intervals..... we need to get out an approved person every 2 hours of flight time to retourque our cylinder heads and the exhaust manifolds....... doesnt mention what we need to do if our flight is longer than 2 hours in duration, do we land on the road and get an approved person out ......... mutter mutter mutter

Are there enough "approved persons" in SA to manage the total number of head re-retorques or plug changes needed on a daily basis??? hmmm..... watch the prices of "approved person" services and a/p`s go up now!

[justin.schoeman]

Looking at the table above wrt service intervals..... we need to get out an approved person every 2 hours of flight time to retourque our cylinder heads and the exhaust manifolds....... doesnt mention what we need to do if our flight is longer than 2 hours in duration, do we land on the road and get an approved person out ......... mutter mutter mutter

Not quite - the above table is a complete list of every service. It does not specify service intervals, but every service.

So, over the first 25 hours it gets serviced a number of times, but after that, only every 25 hours.

-justin

[ICEMAN]

[/quote]It does not specify service intervals

So what does the "2h" stand for? Every 2 hours or at the 2 hour mark and then every 25 hours ie at 2 hours on the hobbs, then 27 hours then 52 hours...... or is it twice every 25 hours ......... actually does it matter seeing as we will be paying "approved persons" plenty money to do all of this servicing over and over again.... mutter mutter mutter

[ICEMAN]

It does not specify service intervals

So what does the "2h" stand for? Every 2 hours or at the 2 hour mark and then every 25 hours ie at 2 hours on the hobbs, then 27 hours then 52 hours...... or is it twice every 25 hours ......... actually does it matter seeing as we will be paying "approved persons" plenty money to do all of this servicing over and over again.... mutter mutter mutter

[justin.schoeman]

2h means that the service is performed after the engine has done 2 hours (and never again). (At least not until 2 hours after the 300 hour rebuild.)

Still, requiring an AP to do the work is a bit excessive. Does anybody know if an owner can still become an AP on their own aerie?

-justin

[DieselFan]

So is the Aviation Engines course worth anything then?! Do we become AP's / AMO's? Otherwise that too is a waste! Don't tell me it is cause then you know what emergency repairs to do.

If my plane sees an AP with EVERY service / niggle than I sure as hell better have a bulletproof engine and the wording about "Sudden stoppage" must be removed and while we're at it Ellis park looks like a nice fly in, perhaps over the CBD first.

[Boet]

Heyyy mann. And I started flying NTCA to escape all this kak. I do strongly suggest we ALL pull our reg letters off, and replace it with ZU UFO. Catch us if you can..... :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[Bacchus]

OK. Now tell me something. What does it cost to get everything done what should be done once you are at the 300 hour mark. Say ROTAX 582 and done by approved person. Surely there must be some sort of fixed rate. Lets also assume there is no big k@k wrong with the engine.

[skybound®]

OK. Now tell me something. What does it cost to get everything done what should be done once you are at the 300 hour mark. Say ROTAX 582 and done by approved person. Surely there must be some sort of fixed rate. Lets also assume there is no big k@k wrong with the engine.

Have a mate who is doing close to the 300 hour on an Aquilla. His quote is at about the R32k mark.

Remember it is not just engines that have to be looked after -it is also all the recommended bits on trikes like flying wires etc that have to be replaced too

[DieselFan]

Have a mate who is doing close to the 300 hour on an Aquilla. His quote is at about the R32k mark.

Suddenly I feel like the TATA joke, "How do you double the value of your Tata? Fill it up..." only now the inverse

Again, can the Aviation Engines course help?

[ICEMAN]

Have a mate who is doing close to the 300 hour on an Aquilla. His quote is at about the R32k mark.

Thats ridiculous- some perfectly safe legal 503`s with valid A/T/F are selling at less than that......... does this mean if you have your 300hour overhaul the value of the plane goes up by 32K.

Bottom line is if you try and force this issue, the opportunity arises for unscuplious A/P`s to start forging and issueing servicing notices to planes that never recieved the work........ what option will the aviation enthusiast have who is pedantically safe, yet doesnt have 32k lying around?

Some pilots fly without valid licences or medicals for whatever reason, how many do you think will just ignore the new rules that add 32k to their debt, or find a "blackmarket" A/P?

On the reciprocal- how many servicing agents/APs can then exhorbitantly increase their prices due to the sudden influx of forced business? Supply and demand influences the cost of the product/service.