THE MICROLAND THREAD..."Home of the Tailwinds"

[mulderpm]

Thursday's WX looks good for a morning flip. Anyone??

Uh..Hu, been watching it. The only day this week...have to. Faiz, will see you.

Last time I checked...you were slick and 50 chom

I am serious chom...all the AP's swear by it...but the supplyer can not get it anylonger. It is called "Slick 50 Engine Treatment". I still have 250ml..but that is it.

[Bundy]

I am serious chom...all the AP's swear by it...

Dunno bud....I'll give you R100 if you can get 5 AP's to agree on anything!

I'm also in "limbo" wrt oil choice....DBP ran on outboard oil for years (but also had to have a crank replacement at 300 hrs)...we recently moved to Chainsaw after taking 1 AP's advice but Chainsaw has a low "Ash Temp" so although it's a great oil, there is increased Carbon build up....We are prob going back to Outboard when our case of 20 is finished... Most of the Ap's I've spoken to agree that outboard is the best long term for a non training plane....endless debate around this though

[mulderpm]

I am going by the AP's/schools that have gotten the most out of their engines..582's with 1400 - 1600 hrs and 503's with 1700 - 2000 hrs, with the original crank. Also, I believe one should never go against what the manufacturer recommends...they have by far the largest reference database and expertise for making recommendations. If you go against them it is at your own peril.

One of AP's that I am referring to above had a crank failure at 230 hrs on one of his 582's..... so, their recommendations do not guarantee long engine life....but I still believe one should consider their advice...as long as it does not contradict manufacturers recommendations.

Thanks Faiz for the leaker flying this morning. How we're those orographic clouds near Bronkies...looked like breaking waves on a white ocean. Pitty I didn't have a camera with me. Morow morning looks good again? Are you keen?

[KlapperKnop]

Eks in vir more!! Slap Chips.

[Bateleur]

More se wind lyk ok, maar ek dink ons gaan in die reen vlieg chommas!! Ek sal 4am opstaan en kyk, as dit reen, sien ek julle so 08:00 se kant vir GROOT BRAAI!! Hoop ons kry darm so uurtjie in die lug more oggend.

[Asterix]

The two stroke oil debate has been ranting and raving for years over various topics. I have come to believe that the most important thing is to actually HAVE oil in the mix. Be that via autolube or pre-mix, which is ANOTHER debate.

Question: Has it ever been showed in any engine-out incident / accident that the reason for the 582 to stop running was its diet of oil? I think not. But I may be wrong...

[alanmack]

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What about a Microland Tent at Tedderfield - someone can bring the "ice" - someone the braai - someone can fly - someone can drive the truck of refreshments - why not set up a patch to call your own?

Send info to nemo@webo.co.za

[Bundy]

Well there's a challenge to you all from Mr Mac....

I will be there in any event, Mulder? Get the boys together and set up for us....I'll come dig into the refreshments on an hourly basis (Maybe you guys can string a few gazebo's together and include our mates from the Rhino gang?)

Well guys, the Honesty Bar at FABA has been restocked and is ready for consumption! Everything in the fridge is R10.00

At this stage, Paul and Myself have keys...but....some of you will be given a set as well.

To Qualify you have to be honest (Proffessional Cyclists will have to fill in additional information!), and attend regular Monthly braai's. Once you have attended 6 events you will qualify for a key.

Maybe...

Hope to fly a bit more in the coming weeks chaps....I'll catch you around.

[mulderpm]

The two stroke oil debate has been ranting and raving for years over various topics. I have come to believe that the most important thing is to actually HAVE oil in the mix. Be that via autolube or pre-mix, which is ANOTHER debate.

Question: Has it ever been showed in any engine-out incident / accident that the reason for the 582 to stop running was its diet of oil? I think not. But I may be wrong...

James, the question is which one gives you the most hours without an engine decoke / overhaul. I really don't think an engine will quit because of the wrong oil, it will just wear more and carbon up more. I wonder if that has even been proven beyond any doubt .

[KlapperKnop]

Paul, would you really take your engine to 1600 hours? I do not think so. If I get 600 hours of my existing crank, then its time for a new one.

I do not think in todays age that we get BAD 2 stroke OIL. Use the type of 2 stroke OIL ofr your application. My trike does not do hard work as near as a school's trike, so I want a OIL that burns in such a way that I do not have to do every 25 hours DECOKE. An OIL that is ashfree, make my engine less (if any) carbon buildup, which means less maintenance in terms of DECOKE.

[mulderpm]

Paul, would you really take your engine to 1600 hours? I do not think so. If I get 600 hours of my existing crank, then its time for a new one.

If the crank is still within spec I will not change it at 600 hrs. I believe, and obviously I may be wrong, if you service your engine according to manufacturers recommendations, and you make sure she never exceeds any of the maximum temps and rpm's and you make sure your EGT & CHT differences remain within spec she will run to 2000 hrs before she is worn out or fails. How far I will take it I do not know, safety first.

I do not think in todays age that we get BAD 2 stroke OIL. Use the type of 2 stroke OIL ofr your application. My trike does not do hard work as near as a school's trike, so I want a OIL that burns in such a way that I do not have to do every 25 hours DECOKE. An OIL that is ashfree, make my engine less (if any) carbon buildup, which means less maintenance in terms of DECOKE.

I agree, there is no BAD 2 stroke oil. Use the oil you are most comfortable with. If you take what happened to the Dr's aerie on Saturday, too much oil is very dangerous. His rings are so stuck that they had to be broken to get them out. His autolube was sticky and overlubricated the engine. R 2040 later, luckily he was on the ground. Will in future check my oil burn regularly. BTW That is also a maintenance requirement in the Rotax schedule.

WX Thursday looks good?

[Loco]

Paul, would you really take your engine to 1600 hours? I do not think so. If I get 600 hours of my existing crank, then its time for a new one.

If the crank is still within spec I will not change it at 600 hrs. I believe, and obviously I may be wrong, if you service your engine according to manufacturers recommendations, and you make sure she never exceeds any of the maximum temps and rpm's and you make sure your EGT & CHT differences remain within spec she will run to 2000 hrs before she is worn out or fails. How far I will take it I do not know, safety first.

I do not think in todays age that we get BAD 2 stroke OIL. Use the type of 2 stroke OIL ofr your application. My trike does not do hard work as near as a school's trike, so I want a OIL that burns in such a way that I do not have to do every 25 hours DECOKE. An OIL that is ashfree, make my engine less (if any) carbon buildup, which means less maintenance in terms of DECOKE.

I agree, there is no BAD 2 stroke oil. Use the oil you are most comfortable with. If you take what happened to the Dr's aerie on Saturday, too much oil is very dangerous. His rings are so stuck that they had to be broken to get them out. His autolube was sticky and overlubricated the engine. R 2040 later, luckily he was on the ground. Will in future check my oil burn regularly. BTW That is also a maintenance requirement in the Rotax schedule.

WX Thursday looks good?

Hi could this be one of those rare occasions where premix might have been better (sorry about the bad luck but I had to ask since I just removed my aerie's autolube)?

[mulderpm]

Yip, Ant, if he used premix then this most probably wouldn't have happened. But, a visual check of the position of the pump arm at rest clearly showed the error. One of the other guys trying to help also noticed this and the owner admitted to high oil consumption. You have to be vidulent and pedantic with these babies and attuned to anything out of the ordinary.

[Bundy]

Morning Chaps,

Our group of Merry Men is clearly growing...... has the time not come my friends to give this group a name?

It’s time to make suggestions and we’ll vote on one at our next monthly braai on 16th Feb.

You are free to make as many suggestions as you want, I’ll tally them all and we can choose over a few beers….

How bout....the ”Microland Dacron Devils”

Please engage your creative side, and fire away!

[mulderpm]

Morning Bd et al,

I think we must stay away from religious and political.

Good.. Flying Maidens, Samosa Gaggle, Raptors Paradise, Lightweight Heavies, Bapsfontein Bunch....???

Still thinking. is out.