MPL / Trike license

[hennies1]

Hi

Hoekom is deesdae se lisensie vir mpl en trikes so duur? As jy deeesdae kyk hoeveel 'n trike of mpl vliegtuig tweedehands kan koop is dit belaglik dat jy al amper dieselfde geld betaal vir jou lisensie of dalk duurder as wat jy vir 'n tweedehandse airie betaal.

Voorbeeld: Om 'n trike lisensie deesdae te kry kos jou ongeveer R30 000 plus. Tweedehandse trikes tussen R30 000 en R50 000

Mpl lisensie ongeveer R40 000 - Plus pioneer flightstar Tweedehands R 30 000

Mikrolights was veronderstel om vir die gewone ou die geleendheid te gee om te kan vlieg maar deesdae blyk dit dit word nou net vir die bo gemiddelde inkomste moontlik om hierdie hobbie te beoefen.

Nie eens praat van die hanger fooie wat die ouens vrae nie.

Nee manne kan ons dit nie weer bekostigbaar maak vir die gewone ou nie,

Die enigste ouens wat dit deesdae sal kan doen is enkelopendes wat nie ander verpligtinge het nie.

[German]

if you talk aviation you talk mega bucks

[Tumbleweed]

Someone decided that in the name of safety the minimum hours had to increase, add some night flying??, extended cross countries and eradicate the part time country instructors who would train around work hours for the love and fun of it.

I trained 25 hours flying in total, used my trike after going solo saving bucks and we got a reduced rate for having 7 guys share ground school lectures on Saturdays.

Everyone qualified within the 25 hours and we're no better or worse than the new guys are.

What is the requirement now for new trike pilots and rates?

[Karman]

Got qoute last week, R 55 000 for MPL on bushbaby if you get in minimum hours.(35).

35 hrs @R 1050 each and some admin fees and joining fees make up rest.

Anyone maybe know rates if you use your own plane?

[KFA]

We charge R870/hr on the Explorer tailwheel, depending on fuel price. LSA normally costs between R32000 and R40 000 depending on the pilot's ability. One of the big reasons prices are higher is that the weekend warrior instructor has been cut out with all the new part 141, insurance and maintenance requirements. it is expensive keeping your ATO license just to be a weekend warrior. These days you have to do it full time to survive and even then it is very difficult. If a school charges too little you should shy away from it, chances are that proper aircraft maintenance is being overlooked.

[Tumbleweed]

Agree with the overheads and requiement for a school to remain current however, most trike training is early mornings and after 16h00 anyway and I'm sure more students would enroll if they can train around working hours and weekends, let alone the instructor who's dormant between 10h00 and 16h00.

Don't discount the weekend warrior instructors. 3 ex instructors here with collective 2 000 hours cut their teeth flying single 503's over the Drakensberg and flying to and from the Upington Bundu Bash fly in let alone competitions in the mid 80's and 90's alongside the top okes of today.

[KFA]

I am not discounting the ability of the instructors, all I am saying is that it is very difficult these days to just do instruction for the love of the sport. We are forced to do it permanently in order to make ends meet. On the other hand it is a good thing because we are now a bit more regulated. To be honest, how many pilot's do you know who are afraid to talk to ATC or do not even know how to fill a flight plan or navigate properly? The point is that it is not only flying ability that defines you as a good pilot, unfortunately not all weekend warriors give enough attention to these (also) important aspects of flying.

[Tumbleweed]

I agree with it being an expensive operation and the need to make profit in order to sustain it otherwise you would not in business. Charge what you need to and good luck to you.

I just think that the present structure is too rigid and less accomodating to attract more recreational pilots.

[Dish]

tumbleweed wrote "Everyone qualified within the 25 hours and we're no better or worse than the new guys are."

Suppose thats up for debate !!! JUST KIDDING my friend, see u in numbi

[Tumbleweed]

Booked and paid.

[Blue Max]

Daardie afdeling van lugvaart wat gemoeid is met ligte ontspannings vliegtuie is beslis oor-gereguleer.
Daar is soveel reels en regulasies dat n mens nie kan voorbly met al die vereistes nie.
As n ou twee of drie vliegtuie het raak dit nog meer ingewikkeld.

Indien daar minder reels en vereistes was sal die lugvaart mbt ligte vliegtuie soos n paddastoel ontwikkel.
Vliegskole en lughawens sal mierneste word soos die belangstelling sal toeneem.
Saterdae oggende sal daar lang toue staan van opgewonde mense wie flips wil he of in wil skryf om opleiding te ontvang.
Vlieg instrukteurs sal begin geld maak soos bossies.!!
Restaurante by vliegskole sal besigheid doen soos nooit te vore nie.
Hanger-spasie sal te min wees en orals sal jy net sien dat lughawens sal uitbrei en nuwes sal ontwikkel word…en so kan ek aangaan.

MAAR… dit sal alleen kan gebeur as die wet verander.
Die wetgewer skuil agter n rookskerm van vaderlike sorg deur as beskermer op te tree om die publiek te beskerm en in die proses word wette gemaak (en geld) wat die ontwikkeling van die bedryf strem.!!!

Dink aan die volgende scenario.
1) Jou oom of jou neef wie n vliegtuig het en wie so ongeveer 400 vliegure het leer jou om sy aerie te vlieg…Sodra jy nou voel jy kom mooi reg dan gaan jy na n vliegskool en vra hulle om jou te toets……Dan net soos huidig die geval is met motors, vragmotors busse en passasiersbusse toets n gekwalifiseerde persoon jou en slaag jy die toets of druip jy dit om later weer te probeer…
2) Jy het 400 vliegure agter jou naam en verkry die reg om passasiers teen vergoeding te vlieg…Jy begin jou bedryf en vra baie minder as wat dit huidiglik kos….meer mense kom in kontak met die bedryf en meer belangstelling ontwikkel..


Puncline…Die lugvaart bedryf word deur wetgewing gekniehalter…!!!!

[hennies1]

Sekere lande oorsee het 'n persoon nie eers 'n lisensie nodig as die vliegtuig onder 'n sekere gewig is nie. Hoekom maak hul dit nie hier ook so nie, Die ou wat nie saam met die rykes kan vlieg nie sal tenminste ook die geleendheid kry om te vlieg