Possibly NO flying for microlights during World Cup

[skybound®]

Very little discussion regarding this hot topic. I assume you all have tickets for the matches so flying is out of your mind for the month

Reading AIC S044/10 - can someone confirm that I have undertsood it correctly that in order to fly within 50NM of the match centres ANYTIME during the 4 week period, you need to:

1 - Have a SCC
2 - File a flight plan and receive your FAC
3 - Be transponder equipped.

1 and 2 are manageable for Micro pilots - but 3 - HA!

[Bugwar]

That is what I understood from the SAAF (Maj. Senekal) was the case last weekend also. From two hour before the game until two hours after the game the above apply but they did give me permission to fly in the end.

I think we need a ruling from Col. De Villiers on this one as she makes the final call on authorizations for microlights

[RV4ker (RIP)]

I was told that only entry into the 10nm restricted zone required a Transponder, but there are conflicting reports... During Confed cup you were not allowed to fly unless you had a transponder....

[Camell]

Does the restriction include circuits?

[gertcoetzee]

I suppose the 2 hour rule is reasonable. Imagine some nutter flying into a stadium. Yes, she would probably not have a transponder either. But if the military know that they can shoot down any duck they pick up without a transponder, or any transponder fitted chick who dislikes football that much, it makes things so much easier.

When I flew to Langebaan in the fog some time ago, they had me pretty much figured out on their primary radar. With the secondary they could tell me how far and high I was.

[C205]

Move to Witbank. We're JUST outside the 50NM, so we'll be flying!

[Africa]

LOL @ Gert coetzee...hahaha

our military could not even shoot down a pidgeon. They have grass growing through the tar under all the fighter jets. I think we own 2 grippons that are un armed and all our airforce have moved to OZ.

[John Young]

Hi,

Am confused.

Thought we only needed an SCC and FAC for "playing days".

Now I hear you need a FAC for any day during the WC plus an FAC for every destination / departure if they are not the same.

What are the facts?

Regards
John ZU-sEXY

[Wargames]

Hi,

Am confused.

Thought we only needed an SCC and FAC for "playing days".

Now I hear you need a FAC for any day during the WC plus an FAC for every destination / departure if they are not the same.

What are the facts?

Regards
John ZU-sEXY

Don't feel alone. I think everyone is confused.

My understanding: The whole world cup is operation shield. For every flight during the world cup you need a valid SSC and a valid FAC. Remember, If you touch your wheels somewhere, you FAC is strictly speaking canceled. IOW, you need a FAC for every take off. With that you need a flightplan filed coupled with a FAC.

Then, if you want to fly within the 2 hours before the game, you need a jetting code or some code. To get this without a transponder is apparently very difficult.

To summarise: You need a FAC and flightplan for every take off during the whole of the world cup if you are going to fly within 50nm of designated VOR's.

[pietmeyer]

I spoke to the guys at SAAF and can confirm what Wargames said

You need a valid SSC code during the whole period of the world cup.

The following now applies
Circuits/Training in the circuit
When just flying circuits at your field, you need a FAC code. If you fly the morning and the afternoon, 2 FAC codes are needed. Every wheels-up, seperate FAC.
Touch and Go might be a problem

When flying out to a destination, the following applies
If not whithin two hour time-frame of match
FAC code and Flight plan for trip to destination
FAC and flight plan for return flight (I use file2fly for flight plans)
Remember to state FAC code on flight plan
If going to your destination but stop at a place for coffee before, seperate FAC code. Every wheels-up, seperate FAC and flight plan. Also remember to stick to the times of the FP.

If it is 2hours before a game, a jetting code is needed and I guess whithout transponder it would be impossible. So basicalliy for that time no flying
I presume that if you fly to a destination further than the 50nm they might allow a FAC and FP?

[skybound®]

Think you guys are forgetting the transponder bit. The SCC & FAC are very manageable. It is the transponder that is required to fly in the 50NM areas that will be a challenge to some.

All flights operating within the lateral boundaries of ADIZ xx from GND to unlimited, inclusive of all
promulgated airspace, must be transponder equipped.

Replace the xx with the city or town where the ADIZs exist.

[Wargames]

Think you guys are forgetting the transponder bit. The SCC & FAC are very manageable. It is the transponder that is required to fly in the 50NM areas that will be a challenge to some.

All flights operating within the lateral boundaries of ADIZ xx from GND to unlimited, inclusive of all
promulgated airspace, must be transponder equipped.

Replace the xx with the city or town where the ADIZs exist.

They do say that, although my experience is that they are not enforcing the transponder rule that closely. That is where the jetting code comes in. No transponder, no flying. Will have to see what happens during the WC.

[pietmeyer]

Yes, it does say that you must have a transponder but depending on your flight plan, they will approve it. I guess when you wan to fly close to a stadium, it will be a problem. We normally fly north to outside the 50nm radius so therefore they will aprove flight without transponder

[skybound®]

I don't think that they would have put the requirement in, if they were not intending on using it. If only for the stadium proximity flights - then they would have placed that paragraph under the temporary airspace zones and not the ADIZs. The ATCs I have had contact with thus far also indicate that they will be following the supplement. My experience is believe nothing that is hearsay (even if from reputable sources) - it has to be documented in the correct fashion to be legal.

[Koevoet]

Does any body know of a transponder for a microlight (cheap and small) thats available for trikes.
Jaco