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Re: RAF gyrocopter accidents

Postby Gyronaut » Thu Jan 29, 2009 4:59 pm

Learjet wrote:

safety is far more about the way we fly our gyros - not which gyros we fly or how they fly
=D* =D* =D* =D* ^*^^ Well Said Dave... and I couldn't agree more!! =D* =D* =D* =D*

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Re: RAF gyrocopter accidents

Postby saraf » Thu Jan 29, 2009 5:18 pm

I Agree fully on that one, I wish to ad training to this as well.....
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Re: RAF gyrocopter accidents

Postby Gyronaut » Thu Jan 29, 2009 5:20 pm

t-bird, unless I am reading too much between the lines, I am not sure I like where you are going with this.

For starters, your "guest list" (um, its Guess by the way) is totally wrong based on the facts provided by Learjet. For example ... Only one fatality in a Sycmore ever and that was Sean Klopper which is NOT attributable to the Sycamore or Sean yet you put Sycamore as #1. (Wys hoeveel jy eintlik weet, en hoeveel slegs jou opinie is.)

Then it was the RAF's turn to get knocked and now it seems you have it in for the MT03.

If you are trying to say an MT03 is unsafe in your opinion because some have burned on impact, then say so. Just keep in mind that several other types, including Magni's have also burned on impact.

If this thread is truly about improving safety I am all for it, when it becomes negative and petty then I am 124-8 zone out.

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Re: RAF gyrocopter accidents

Postby t-bird » Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:49 pm

Hi Len

The first point that I want to prove is that even if the RAF is unstable it is possible to have less fatalities than the other Gyros.
I still believe that it is unstable but where are the accidents ????????

Apologies on having the Sycamore in the number 1 spot. Like I said it was a guess list.

It was admitted by Old no 07 that he had an engine out with 20 liters while doing a sharp decent. He has posted it previously; FOGYRO also admitted that this was the case with the MT

My conclusion would be that the RAF is a lot more unstable than the other gyro’s but these guys give proper training that enable pilots to fly safely.

I don’t like these post and would rather read or post about Gyro trips .
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Re: RAF gyrocopter accidents

Postby old no 7 » Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:02 pm

Guys, If you go back on all my posts you will not find a single one critisizing any particular make of Gyro.
All I asked in one of Eben's other recent posts was "where is the horizontal stabiliser? " because I thought that they had made it a permanent mod.
Why should this open up such a hornets' nest and why should people always become so defensive? ( I still think the lady doth protest too much)

I am all for gyro flying in all its forms and have made good buds with gyronuts from all stables.

I agree wholeheartedly. The equipment is but a small part of the equation. Training, experience are others, but to me ATTITUDE is the biggest killer.
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Re: RAF gyrocopter accidents

Postby saraf » Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:03 pm

Hi

In what way is the RAF unstable???????

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Re: RAF gyrocopter accidents

Postby saraf » Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:05 pm

Very true No 7
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Re: RAF gyrocopter accidents

Postby Learjet » Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:18 pm

JetRanger suggested:
Suggestion to the Mockes: Design a sexy looking horizontal stabiliser, test it, get it certified and offer it as an optional extra. Problem and bullshit gone!
Agreed!!! Eben - offer maar die blerrie ding as optioneel extra en dan is dit oor en verby! vhpy vhpy
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Re: RAF gyrocopter accidents

Postby saraf » Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:31 pm

Hi Dave,

Ek voel dit is beter om mens ordentlike opleiding te gee as om vir mense wat niks oor jou produk weet te luister.
Al wat ons gaan doen as ons een beskikbaar stel , net om die negatiewe praat weg te kry is om mens van die wal af in die sloot te help. Ek sien geen nut aan dit nie.

Hoe gaan dit met die vlieg, het jy toe al jou nuwe rotors gekry, hoe vlieg hulle?


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Re: RAF gyrocopter accidents

Postby Learjet » Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:19 pm

Hi Eben - thanks for your views on that. I understand where you are coming from but I guess from being in advertising I'm always conscious of consumer / customer perceptions as well (even if they aren't right!) vhpy

I'm enjoying the new rotors (sold the old ones today!) vhpy
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Re: RAF gyrocopter accidents

Postby Wagtail » Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:02 am

Morning Eben,

Thanks, I am now taking up your agreement to come and visit. I will start a new thread "RAF visist to Gauteng" to keep everybody informed, is that OK with you. When will you have time to come down ( or as the geographically correct will point out "coming up" ) to us?

The current weather will at least give us a few weeks to relax.
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Re: RAF gyrocopter accidents

Postby Wagtail » Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:09 am

Guys, stand back and watch the fireworks popping out of this one.............
:? :? :? do we consider a helicopter as unstable ????

Some of the wise old folk once said "Aviation is all about Compromise"....and compromise is all about balance.
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Re: RAF gyrocopter accidents

Postby t-bird » Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:01 am

I consider the RAF as an unstable Gyroplane as per stability research by Glasgow University. I am not going into this topic again.

On the question of helicopters , most helicopters have a horizontal stabilizer on the side.

Are some helicopter more unstable than others. Yes a Robbie is more unstable than a Oryx.

The only difference is the difference in stability between helicopters is not as big as Rest of Gyros and RAF.
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Re: RAF gyrocopter accidents

Postby MICHIEL » Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:20 am

Hi t-bird,I for one am not aware of the research in Glasgow that you mentioned or of any previous threads on the issue..
Please inform us or give info on how or where to access the info. Safe flying and I am still keeping a opening in the hangar for the visit you promised!!
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Re: RAF gyrocopter accidents

Postby saraf » Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:29 pm

Hi Johan

Dankie, ek sal jou laat weet wanneer ons beplan om op te kom, ongelukkig sal dit nie nou kan wees nie, aangesien ons vol met studente en nuwe gyro's vir kliente te bou is.

Ek laat weet julle so gou moontlik , ek sien uit.

Hou die bier koud.

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