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Artur Trendak -illegal producer Zen1 in serious trouble...

Postby xenonzen1 » Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:42 pm

Artur Trendak -illegal producer Zen1 in serious trouble...

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Today in the morning the door of illegal Trendak factories in Jaktorów knocked Police and Bailiff...

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The factory just took place production illegal copies of Xenon under the name ZEN 1...

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The following information from the legally manufacturer of XENON Gyro - the court forbade Trendak touch to anything related to Xenon.
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Postby M I Claase » Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:40 pm

Hoop die XENONS in SA is by die regte fabriek gekoop!!!
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Postby nicow » Mon Aug 20, 2012 2:21 pm

Dis net weer vliegpolitiek...
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Postby Tinkerbell » Mon Aug 20, 2012 2:36 pm

Dis jammer, want Artur is 'n vreeslike nice ou en het baie harde werk ingesit in die Xenon's. Raphael is vreeslik sjarmant maar nie baie klient vriendelik nie. Net hy is reg. Seker daarom dat hul paaie geskei het. Ek hoop Artur word gou deur een van die ander verskaffers raakgesien vir wat hy werd is. Mens moenie sy gyro kennis verloor nie. Een ding waarvoor ek hoop met die nuwe verwikkelinge by Celier, soos die nuwe bemarkingsbestuurder ens, is dat die ondersteuning van daar beter sal wees. Ek verwys na parte wat gestuur moet word en so aan. Gelukkig het mens nie kort-kort iets van hulle af nodig nie. Ai, die besigheidswereld is hard.
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Re: Artur Trendak -illegal producer Zen1 in serious trouble.

Postby Splinter » Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:00 pm

Funny how your 1st post as a member of microlighters is to advertise the ill fate of Artur Trendak? :shock: :shock: Will almost make me think that they are involved or could benifit from this. (**)
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Postby CelierAviation » Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:17 pm

My naam is Christopher Wronowski en is 'n vennoot in die nuwe Celiera Aviation.
Dien ook as die Direkteur van Bemarking.
Ek is verbaas dat ons so maklik aanvaar vlieëniers diefstal en bedrog. Trendak doelbewus beslag gelê op die hele eiendom wyżucil Raphael en mislei hom uit van die besigheid. trick produseer ook sonder toestemming gyro onder 'n ander naam.
Raphael is hard besig om die verlore fabriek te bou en te produseer op die masjien wat geskep het en wat Hy liefhet.
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Postby Splinter » Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:30 pm

CelierAviation wrote:My naam is Christopher Wronowski en is 'n vennoot in die nuwe Celiera Aviation.
Dien ook as die Direkteur van Bemarking.
Ek is verbaas dat ons so maklik aanvaar vlieëniers diefstal en bedrog. Trendak doelbewus beslag gelê op die hele eiendom wyżucil Raphael en mislei hom uit van die besigheid. trick produseer ook sonder toestemming gyro onder 'n ander naampl
Dont know either of the two and dont know who was in the wrong but I have the same amount of respect for a person that has to publically advertise his "victory" as I do for someone that has unethical business practices.

Good luck to both.
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Re: Artur Trendak -illegal producer Zen1 in serious trouble.

Postby CelierAviation » Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:38 pm

One of Newton's laws of Motion states that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. It is time for some truth to start emerging.

My name is Alexander Dalli. I have joined the Celiar Aviation Team and I am very surprised at the movement contained in this forum against the grandfather designer Mr Celier, who requires at least respect for creating for the enjoyment of all of us the Xenon Series.  This he did prior to meeting his associate and teaching all the polish instructors and most of the world's Xenon buyers/owners.

Unfortunately towards the end of last year, things turned a bit uncomfortable with his associate and Mr Celier had to restart afresh while launching a painful struggle with the associate that stripped him  7 years of his life as he forced him out of the company. Mr Celier owned 50 % but the associate managed to push him out. The course of justice will take some but in the meantime, Celier Aviation is up and running with enormous power and speed under a new management team. LIfe goes on, as some bitter lessons are learnt and whatever does not break us makes us stronger. Mr Celier is surely not broken!

For those in the forum that have kept  logging only on the old Celier website, that is still visible,  kindly redirect your attention to our new website  address at www.celieraviation.pl

What I ask from you is respect to the real designer, nothing more but surely nothing less. The divorce with his associate was not an easy one but Mr Celier is a strong man, a believer in God, and he got through it.  He is now looking forward to the future in impressing all of you with his new designs.

I am proud to be should to shoulder with Mr Celier and all the Team, Krys, Peter, Francois, Mike, Marcin and all the workers that will provide all Xenon owners with continued support.

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Re: Artur Trendak -illegal producer Zen1 in serious trouble.

Postby Learjet » Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:54 pm

Dear Alexander, Christopher, Xenonzen1 (I presume you are all one and the same?)

Welcome to the South African gyro forum. vhpy

Most of us are not aware of the details concerning the unfortunate Trendak / Celier Xenon partnership split, but your (all) taking the trouble to post in quick succession suggests at best either a somewhat gloating attitude in trying to state your case, or at worst, what could be construed as an outright smear campaign attempt on your erstwhile business associate. :?

Either way, you will find that the gyro-community here has, by and large, progressed beyond the tacky-publicity mud-slinging that you seek to engage in. :evil:

You will find a far warmer reception from most of the gyro members here if you concentrate on engaging in an informative and positive manner, focussing on the stand-alone virtues of your own gyro product instead of gyro-bashing your opposition.

There is plenty of space in the African skies for all types and makes of gyros. vhpy

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Postby Learjet » Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:18 pm

and I see they adopted the same orchestrated sequence of pics and posts on the rotarywing forum today until the mods removed it.
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Re: Artur Trendak -illegal producer Zen1 in serious trouble.

Postby Vertical Tango » Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:27 pm

Something that very few people know is that Raphael Cellier has not designed the Xenon. The real designer is Jean-Pierre Doleac, the designer of the original Aircopter rotors than even the MTs started from. Auto Gyro then redesigned them under their own brand name. I have spoken quite a few times with JP Doleac as I modified his hub bar and wanted his input. He has been taken badly by Raphael. When JP Doleac had enough of it, he sold the rotor manufacture rights to the Polish manufacturer.
I hope that Artur will get out of the Cellier's accusations. All the pictures above have been taken by Cellier and his staff.
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Re: Artur Trendak -illegal producer Zen1 in serious trouble.

Postby CelierAviation » Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:29 am

Absolutely incorrect information.
Use Google or check out our website to get the correct information ...

http://www.celieraviation.eu/view/311-rotors.html


"The famous Aircopter rotor now became “Aircopter – C.A.” (CELIER Aviation product.) as we bought the rights and tools.
Sir Jean-Pierre DOLEAC from Toulouse is the original designer and producer of this rotor, helped by Sir Pierre CHAUVIN (former Director of AEROSPATIALE Division) their collaboration made it possible to produce this amazing fine rotor.
For the respect of the original recognized quality, we will keep the French metal extrusion producer, a Toulouse Group Aerospatial certified subcontracter."

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... N34Nij6KCA

Sooner or later the truth will be disclosed ...
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Re: Artur Trendak -illegal producer Zen1 in serious trouble.

Postby Vertical Tango » Tue Aug 21, 2012 2:49 pm

This is exactly what I said. You AND Artur might have had the right to manufacture the Xenon, but JP Doleac remains the original designer of the Xenon. In fact he still has the original moulds.
When are you going to do business the normal way ? Provide a good service against the heavy fees that we pay is a good start, instead of bullying people to get your way. You will have to do a lot more than that to gain a reputation in SA.
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Postby Learjet » Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:51 pm

"President - CEO - Founder Designer - Test pilot"... move over Chuck Norris :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Artur Trendak -illegal producer Zen1 in serious trouble.

Postby Vertical Tango » Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:34 am

Learjet, the mods have been very kind to him. They removed a paragraph related to the picture but left the picture. I must admit that I was quite nasty.
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