Low Flying

[johnht]

If anyone is really serious about action being taken against alleged offenders, let us use the existing, formal CAA channel, viz the CAHRS.
Unfortunately this forum is not accessed by everyone. Also, even if an offender was 'named and shamed' - so what?

The CAHRS form can be downloaded via the link: http://www.caa.co.za/Public/Safety%20Co ... 0form2.pdf

John
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[John Boucher]

I'm with Len & Eric on this one....

LOW LEVEL flying is inherently dangerous. A few weeks ago I lost two friends in the BANTAM accident... The scenario could have been seriously different if the had 400 ft more to work with and not the odd 50 or 100!

T-Bird.... there is a very informative book called The Killing Zone and I suggest it as a very important read especially for the pilots in the 50 to 300 hour zone!

A day will come when you think how cool it is to beat up a field at low level only to find you klapping the tail rotor or that awesome looking valley - do the scud run only to find some Eskom construction team has put up and HT line.... Think about it!

[t-bird]

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[Gyronaut]

As a matter of interest T-bird, how many gyro hours have you got?

[John Boucher]

Thank you re. my friends...

With regards to low flying not being against the rules..... Not entirely true as you are generalising the concept and without getting into an argument from a safety officer's point of view - I'll oppose the practice - no matter what the mode of flight may be!

[mak]

"LOW LEVEL flying is inherently dangerous". Bad Nav, I didn't know that you have met and seen Low Level fly before, but from your comment I see you have.
Sorry Low Level, couldn't resist

[John Boucher]

Oh my word.... sorry... let me rephrase that -

Flying too close to the ground or without sufficient altitude may induce a common syndrome they call pain - the misconception of "speed kills" thus arises to be not true and the realisation of one's mortality is stressed by the abrupt manner in which one becomes stationary after performing such an act!

[Dre'man55]

Laws aside it is unfortunately fact that many of the fun things we do are dangerous. Flying low, riding a quad or off road bike in excess of 100kph on a narrow path, riding a superbike at only just sub 300kph speeds etc etc etc.

With freedom comes responsibility and consequence.

[John Boucher]

I took this passage from the SAPFA newsletter and I know Chris B wont mind seeing that it is the interest of safety...

The SACAA has got together a group of industry experts under the name The General Aviation Safety Initiative (GASI). SAPFA is represented on this body. We are hoping that this body will come up with some innovative ideas to reduce accidents rather than the knee-jerk reaction of more stringent rules and regulation. It is my belief that most of the accidents are caused by poor decision making and judgment which seems to be part of the rule breaking and risk taking attitude of the South African psyche. How many times do we have to hear “I knew he would have an accident as some stage…..” Unfortunately there seems to be some pilots that believe that they are bullet proof. Our statistics show
that they are not. The psychology of bad decision making is rooted in confidence based on incrementally bad behaviour without adverse outcomes. What can you do as a responsible pilot? Apply some peer pressure. Identify unacceptable behaviors and challenge the pilot. Use the CAHRS system if necessary. Play your part in generating those actions that will modify behaviour. Then make sure you are competent as a pilot. Practice emergency drills and home your skills as a pilot.

Increasing your speed from a stand still poses dangers in its own realm.... for instance one only needs to ride a bicycle at 13km/h - fall - knock your head on the curb for it to be fatal!

[hersham]

I have not seen such a bunch of hypocrites together for a very long time....
Just look in Mountain Flying in posting of 3Dec 08 at the sycamore skimming the waves.........
And if im not mistaken a gyro servicing business currently for sale operated for years out of a warehouse in an industrial area and used the public road leading to it as a runway on an almost daily basis......
En die k#k het begin vandat die "besigheid" op die mark gekom het.....ledigheid is die duiwel se oorkussing..... en nou is die duiwel los..
Kry vir jou weer n jop en los ons in rus en vrede of gaan krap op n ander plek soos Avcom...... en vat jou duiwel saam....
groete

[Low Level]

I didn't know that you have met and seen Low Level fly before, but from your comment I see you have.

Jy het een in die sakkie.

[Gyronaut]

Hersham

4 posts and you know it all. Obviously you are too much of a coward to post under your own name.

Do you see any people or animals in the picture of the Sycamore skimming the waves? Clearly not you Idiot so its perfectly within the law and within the boundaries of what is considered good airmanship.

As for your comments about the "besigheid op die mark gekom het.....ledigheid is die duiwel se oorkussing bla bla bla" take your personal little vendetta's somewhere else.

I repeat that I have the utmost respect for Eric Torr and his abilities and if he has riled you to the point where you hide behind your anonymity [big word for you] (or your mothers skirts) go do it somewhere else. I will treat all your further comments with the contempt they deserve.

124.8 zone out, See You Next Tuesday.
... or Probably On Easter Sunday

(will someone draw him pictures?)

[FO Gyro]

Ok Hersham and Jetranger. You've both had your say, and some valid points raised there.

Can we now stop the mud slinging and name calling to keep the thread constructive, otherwise will have to intervene. If you want to get personal, PM the other person. Let's try and keep this as a discussion, and not an argument.

Let's not beat around the bush, low flying does open oneself to more dangers, but the situation must be managed. The slightest misjudgement can have catastrophic results. Like most things, there is a time and place.

[old no 7]

Ok Hersham and Jetranger. You've both had your say, and some valid points raised there.

Can we now stop the mud slinging and name calling to keep the thread constructive, otherwise will have to intervene. If you want to get personal, PM the other person. Let's try and keep this as a discussion, and not an argument.

Hear Hear Glen,
I almost thought I had logged onto Avcom for a minute.
I think we should introduce a yellow-card system to combat mud-slinging & name-calling. One week in the cooler should calm their tempers or deflate the egos to acceptable & constructive levels.

[John Boucher]

Now you are really letting it sound like the rules of our sister forum by suggesting a "go back to jail" system! Aptly noted regarding valid arguments - so recap on this thread and see how many points you can take away as a pilot and reflect on your own airmanship & safety before trashing it!

Seeing that the point was raised, I think Len has touched a nerve and closer to the truth now! As Ducky would say... Popcorn & Coke anyone!