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Re: Magni M24

Postby THI » Mon Aug 10, 2009 8:47 am

Johannes Cronje wrote:Hi THI

Butch is based in Krugersdorp.

The guy who imported the 1st M24 hangar at Tedderfield.

Speak to Flynote, he knows the guy. If you don't come right let me know and I can give you some numbers.

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Hi Johannes,

Do you have some tel numbers for me? I'm only a few days in Gaunteng and would like to see the M24 in real life.

Thanks!

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Re: Magni M24

Postby braam hechter » Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:21 am

Hi THI.

You should phone Butch on JHB (011) code 753two261 during office hours. Vic has his M24 at Tedderfield and i think Leo is also expecting his, he is also based at Tedderfield.

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Re: Magni M24

Postby THI » Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:17 am

Hi Braam, You don't have cell numbers? i don't want to drive all the way to Tedderfield with no one to show us around.
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Re: Magni M24

Postby braam hechter » Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:02 pm

Hi Thinus.

Sorry, Johan Stemmet is in the Cape and i know Butch went to his farm. (Difficult cell reception) You can try Eric Torr on 08333five462two. I do'nt know if he has access to the hangars, but he will have Vic and Leo's numbers. You can contact me for more contact persons zero846977seven03.

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Re: Magni M24

Postby Johannes Cronje » Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:54 am

Thanks Braam for the info, I enjoyed the long weekend.

THI, sent you an e-mail if you did not ger sorted with Braan's info. It will be difficult to get in at Tedderfield without arrangements.
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Re: Magni M24

Postby FLYNOTE » Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:53 am

Hi Thinus, I'm back from Cape Town and will be available to show you the Xenon and M24 at Tedderfield any day next week except Thursday 20 August.
Just give me a call beforehand to organize when you return from Warmbad. 071 604 5785
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Re: Magni M24

Postby THI » Sun Aug 16, 2009 3:18 pm

Hi Flynote,

Thanks, I was hoping I could bribe you with a lekke Sondela breakfast to come and visit us at Sondela :-)

I’ll phone you later. Hopefully we can get together Wednesday.

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Re: Magni M24

Postby FLYNOTE » Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:17 am

Thi, jy sal my nooit met n breakfast bribe nie. Drank is nou weer n ander storie !
I won't have time to fly out to you this week but Wed. is fine to show you the Xenon and M24. Just please phone before you come out so I can arrange my movements this side.
I lost your number ... sms hom maar weer vir my.
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Re: Magni M24

Postby THI » Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:52 pm

M24 vs Xenon

I’ll post the same writing on both posts, Xenon and M24

Last week we had the privilege to visit FLYNOTE to compare the M24 with the Xenon. Unfortunately the wind was not very pleasant so we could not go for a flip, but hopefully the weather will be better at Vredendal.

I must admit that this enclosed side by side gyro’s is the way to go! What lovely machines the M24 and Xenon are!

My first impression of the M24 is that it looks very streamline. It looks fast standing still! Just a pity that it stand with its nose in the air. I know it sound stupid but it would look much better standing with all 3 wheels on the ground. The Xenon is comparison is bigger than the M24. It has presence.

Climbing into in M24 is a bit tricky. The reason is that you must get past the power, brake and control handle and pushing down on the M24 without damaging yourself or the aircraft. Let’s face it, to get into any aircraft is always difficult for the bigger guys. Maybe a better solution would have to put the power on the dashboard like a Jabiru. But if you are in you can get fairly comfortable. There is a lot of head room on the M24, more that in the Xenon. I can put the long part of my fist on my head, where as with the Xenon I can put my hand flat on my head. Where the Xenon loses on headroom in makes up in side by side space. The Xenon is a lot bigger than the M24. In the M24 Flynote and I sat shoulder to shoulder, not so in the Xenon. Another nice thing about the Xenon is that there is space for your left elbow (if sit left seat). Unfortunately not so in the M24, it was quite difficult reaching the power and brake handle in the M24.

Like I said, both these machines are beautiful machines.

The M24 has the Magni name behind it. There is a lot of history with Magni in South Africa and that will give you a lot of confidence buying a M24. I’m sure the M24 will give their new owners hours of smiles!

The Xenon is my pick, but is currently limping its way into South Africa, which is my biggest concern. I do not want to spend that amount of money and wait 2 year + to fly it, as some owners have done. But I’m sure the agents in South Africa will come to the party and convince the buying public that the problems is of the past and we are looking forward.

Thanks again to Flynote for your time and for Vic to give us the opportunity to see (and touch) his baby!

Do yourself a favor and try these machines out for yourself. I can’t wait to fly mine one day!
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Re: Magni M24

Postby THI » Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:53 am

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Re: Magni M24

Postby Yoda » Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:00 pm

Just regarding the M24 sitting on its tailwheel....
I've found that when there is not much fuel in the tanks on my M22 the same thing happens, but as soon as the tanks are around 1/2 it remains steady on all three wheels.... Maybe this might also be the case in the M24???
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Re: Magni M24

Postby Learjet » Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:21 pm

As per my posting about the Xenon, the Vredendal fly-in afforded me the opportunity to see the M24 in the flesh for the first time. Similarly to Johan, Vic also went out of his way to introduce us to his new gyro and share his thoughts and experiences of it. Although both the Xenon and the M24 were there standing side by side, I have tried not to get drawn into making comparisons - opting instead to leave that to prospective buyers who will no doubt each have their personal and unique set of needs and requirements with which to benchmark any necessary comparison. Instead I have simply attempted to express my own impressions of the individual gyro(s) as seen (and not flown!)

Being a Magni M16 owner I was excited to have an opportunity to take a closer look at the new M24 and I was not disappointed. Knowing first hand about Magni's absolute dedication to building safe and stable gyros, I was also aware that the long-awaited launch of the M24 Orion has been a culmination of several years of research and development into various two-seater and fully-enclosed prototypes which they tested over the years. With an enviable safety record to protect it was clear that Vittorio Magni would only introduce the final product once he was completely satisfied with the safety and performance upon which the Magni reputation has been built . And the resultant M24, is by all accounts, already living up to that reputation.

From the moment I first saw it, my eyes were drawn to it's sleek, aerodynamic tear-drop profile. It simply exudes an aura of performance! Like a formula 1 racing car there are no frills and the interior is positively spartan. Perhaps too much so for those who may seek a more plush interior. True to it's lineage though, the M24 is unquestionably a Magni through and through. Built upon the foundation of a tried and tested design and safety record spanning more than 30 years, Magni has retained the same rotor system, airframe construction method and continued choice of Rotax 914 for the M24. The horizontal stabilisor now has a slightly more dihedral wing shape to it, but beneath the sleek cabin and cowlings, very little appears to have significantly changed from the M16/M22 other than the modifications required to achieve the fully-enclosed side-by side seating configuration.

The slightly staggered side-by-side seating arrangement was far less notable than what I'd been led to expect in previous reports. The longer, more reclined seating definately looks more comfortable to that of it's M16/M22 predecessors - but to my eye still lacked the desireable level of cushioning. The familiar and well positioned controls and cyclic remain virtually unchanged, and whilst the positioning of the throttle and brake levers has also been retained, this now poses something of a minor hindrance when getting in and out the aircraft. And staying on this subject, (and unlike it's M16/M22 brethren), the overall shift in balance in the M24 now has it squatting on it's tail until you get into it. Yes, there are other gyros that are like this but I personally don't like a rocking-horse motion when getting into a gyro, nor having to put something under the tail so that it can stand the way it should when parked. Heck - even a little spring-loaded strut or something on the keel under the tail would have made all the difference.

Whilst Magni quickly recognised the need for additional packing space in a touring gyro - and addressed this with the introduction of the M22, they appear to have equally as quickly forgotten it with the M24. Antoine de Saint-Exupery may well have mused, "He who would travel happily must travel light", but I do feel that even he would have struggled with the absolute lack of packing space in the M24.

Those who have flown it are unanimous that it is every bit as stable as the M16, with very little difference in handling and performance. This offers great peace-of-mind as I've never been comfortable with the fact that when it comes to new (NTCA) aircraft - the new owners are, to all intent and purposes, the manfacturer's unwitting test-pilots! (When I originally decided to buy a Magni M16 my decision was greatly influenced by the fact that more than 400 test-dummy pilots before me were all still happily alive and flying their Magnis!). Thats said, despite the advantage that the M24 may enjoy in terms of Magni's reputation for safety, it still falls a little short in the pilot-comfort department. No cabin heating, non-adjustable (front) air vents, packing space or a park-brake.

But perhaps I'm being too critical about the lack of frills. First and foremost in importance is that of a safe and stable gyro. So if you're looking for peace-of-mind flying, the Magni M24 Orion will no doubt be right up there on your shopping list. If you're only concerned with comfort I'd recommend a leather Lay-Z-Boy armchair from Joshua Doore. vhpy
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Re: Magni M24

Postby MAGNIficent » Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:24 pm

Herewith also very good balanced report on M24 on ROTARY FORUM

http://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/showth ... agni+orion
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Re: Magni M24

Postby Condor » Sun Sep 13, 2009 8:14 am

We cancelled our flight to Westonaria yesterday due to wheather, but Eggbeater took me in his MG to Butch to check out his new pride and joy.

She is ..............beatiful, and as you can imagine, he can't wait to start flying.

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Look at the side-by-side space, there is more than enough.
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Does this not look like a proud father?
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Re: Magni M24

Postby Jabbanaught » Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:14 am

Condor wrote:We cancelled our flight to Westonaria yesterday due to wheather, but Eggbeater took me in his MG to Butch to check out his new pride and joy.

She is ..............beatiful, and as you can imagine, he can't wait to start flying.

Some pictures of the event.

Congrats Eggbeater Suppose wont help if i take option on this one when you dont want to fly her anymore vhpy vhpy vhpy
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