Gyro really the ultimate?

[whirly]

I think a visit to Kitty Hawk is now getting closer by the day.

If you make your plans correctly you can fly Xenon, Calidus, Cavalon and even some open cockpit Magni (just to proof the sensasion of fear of heights does not exist)

Contact us all when you can come and have breakfast...

Condor,

You are on! (but for the open cockpit bit! )

I can then take all of you for a flip in the chopper, all at the same time!

Whirly.

[grahame]

It would have to be a side by side enclosed machine with a bit of baggage space, so I am looking!
Whirly.

Both space and weight allowance seem to be a problem with current gyros. If you're two up with full fuel, there's not much room left for anything bar the toothbrush.
Xenon has a bit behind the seats, but its small. I'd love to have a gyro as a means to get to some out-of-the-way camping places on cross-countries, but there's clearly no room for a small pup tent, sleeping bags etc.

[crazydoc]

hi Whirly
I think side by side (cavalon) also slower than tandem.

[whirly]

hi Whirly
I think side by side (cavalon) also slower than tandem.

Thanks, I expect it to be.

Does anybody know from experience what the Cavalon cruises at with the 914 Turbo? (or is it too early to ask?)

Whirly.

[Steve_SP]

various figures here


http://www.auto-gyro.com/en/Cavalon/


the claim is cruise at 145km/h

Steve

[jtresfon]

Both space and weight allowance seem to be a problem with current gyros. If you're two up with full fuel, there's not much room left for anything bar the toothbrush.
Xenon has a bit behind the seats, but its small. I'd love to have a gyro as a means to get to some out-of-the-way camping places on cross-countries, but there's clearly no room for a small pup tent, sleeping bags etc.

Graham there is plenty of room for a tent, sleeping bag, mattress, spare fuel, a small toolbox, some food etc... in fact you can carry 100kg of kit... on the back seat! Your wife/partner/significant other can do the same... in her own gyro

Rgds
Jean.

[weedy]

+1
Not good to put all your eggs in one basket

[whirly]

various figures here


http://www.auto-gyro.com/en/Cavalon/


the claim is cruise at 145km/h

Steve

That is around 78 knots or 6.5 nm every 5 minutes.

Whirly.

[JvTonder]

Don't forget to look at the RAF 2000 built in Upington, can load 300kg and lots off power.

[Yoda]

Whirly, the websites tend to be on the optimistic side with regards to speed.... Now I don't have any experience on gyros other than Magni and Ela, but logic tells me the cavalon cannot really be much faster than the standard open cockpit gyros. Maybe they did figure out something to reduce the drag a bit, to get it faster, but it cant be much.....
When you think gyros, think Hughes 300, only they are even slower than a 300. I would say the sweet spot of my 2013 model carbon fiber Magni m16 is around 80-85 mph at my altitude of 5000ft. When pushing it I can get to 100, but I don't like the "feel" of it. Engine revs are high... above 5000 RPM and I assume fuel consumption will also go up by quite a bit....
This gyro is very lightly specced and I believe the enclosed tandems might be a bit heavier.... Add to all this a 90 kg pax and a full tank of fuel and out the door goes the performance....
I don't mean to turn you away from gyros, this giving you the facts as you are thinking with a "chopper"mind. Just get yourself in a gyro... you will enjoy it so much, the speed wont bother you....

[whirly]

+1
Not good to put all your eggs in one basket

So your wife keeps yours in her handbag too!

Whirly.

[whirly]

Whirly, the websites tend to be on the optimistic side with regards to speed.... Now I don't have any experience on gyros other than Magni and Ela, but logic tells me the cavalon cannot really be much faster than the standard open cockpit gyros. Maybe they did figure out something to reduce the drag a bit, to get it faster, but it cant be much.....
When you think gyros, think Hughes 300, only they are even slower than a 300. I would say the sweet spot of my 2013 model carbon fiber Magni m16 is around 80-85 mph at my altitude of 5000ft. When pushing it I can get to 100, but I don't like the "feel" of it. Engine revs are high... above 5000 RPM and I assume fuel consumption will also go up by quite a bit....
This gyro is very lightly specced and I believe the enclosed tandems might be a bit heavier.... Add to all this a 90 kg pax and a full tank of fuel and out the door goes the performance....
I don't mean to turn you away from gyros, this giving you the facts as you are thinking with a "chopper"mind. Just get yourself in a gyro... you will enjoy it so much, the speed wont bother you....

Yoda,

Thank you! I had a Hughes 300C and know all about slow!

We will just have to plan more stops then and forget about getting there soon! Most flights will be local with only the odd longer trips.

Whirly.

[crazydoc]

Spoke to a new cavalon owner this am. Comfortable cruise speed 70-75 mph. He also little bit frustrated by "new model - few new design twitches that needs to be sorted" .Still looks pretty nice to me

[Gyronaut]

Don't forget to look at the RAF 2000 built in Upington, can load 300kg and lots off power.

For completeness
http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cf ... 003-10.pdf
This gives it a VNE of 70 and no doors.

[JvTonder]

Don't forget to look at the RAF 2000 built in Upington, can load 300kg and lots off power.

For completeness
http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cf ... 003-10.pdf
This gives it a VNE of 70 and no doors.

Interesting thanks, but visit the factory and speak to Oom Eben Mocke and get his opinion, very illuminating. VNE is definitely not 70mph and doors can be on or off, depends on your choice.