Commercial Gyro License

[THI]

I have recently read that it is possible to get a commercial gyro license. Maybe I was naïve to think otherwise. Ignorance is bliss….

Any idea what the requirements are and where I can do my commercial gyro license?

Thanks

[Gyronaut]

Commercial Gyro Licence? First I have ever heard of it.

As far as I know there are some people doing work in Gyro's in the JHB/Pretoria area for powerline inspections/law enforcement for remuneration but that they have special permission from SA CAA to do this.

I (for one) have never heard of a Commercial Gyro Pilots Licence. Anyone else?

Len

[weedy]

I think the guys doing the inspections have normal com licences, just using gyros

[Gyronaut]

Yes, normap Comm licence with GPL would make sense.

[Wargames]

In the airlaw book they do make provision for a cml (commercial microlight lisence) in the medical section.(Before you ask questions, it caught my eye.)

I'll try to get some more info on this.

[johnht]

I hope I can shed some light on the topic - by no means do I claim to be an expert but I have been looking into this for my own interest.

There is quite a bit of info on this (Commercial operation of gyros) in the CARS.

[Part 96 referred to below is found in volume 2 of Aviation Legislation in SA which I downloaded from the CAA web site - all 30Mb+ of it!]

Part 96 regulates the Commercial operation of non-type certified aircraft (NTCA) which includes Gyroplanes. The regulation is very specific in terms of crew requirements, documentation, operating certificates, aircraft maintenance, etc. From this it's quite clear that operating a gyro commercially encompasses much more than just a pilot having an appropriate licence or rating. (One must also ensure that the gyro's ATF is ammended to reflect its intended operation.)

[Part 62.14 referred to below is found in "NATIONAL PILOT LICENSING – PART 62" which I downloaded from the RAASA.co.za web site. As you are probably aware RAASA will be taking over licencing from CAA related to recreational aviation wef 1 February '09.]

Part 62.14 is titled "Requirements for the issue of a Part 96 authorisation" and covers the requirements / experience of the Pilot who wishes to be issued a Part 96 authorisation, which includes the requirement for the pilot to have at least 200 hours gyro PIC time.

I trust this helps / makes sense! I'd welcome any additional info or insights.

Regards
John

ZU-JHT

[THI]

Hi John,

Thanks for the info. Stupid question...what is the diff between CARS & CATS?

Thx

[johnht]

Hi THI

CARs = Civil Aviation Regulations
CATs = Civil Aviation Technical Standards

Both are available on the CAA website.

John

zu-jht

[Gyromedic]

I am working towards becoming a Commercial Gyrocopter Pilot. I have started training on a Magni M16 with Len Klopper and have 9 hours behind my name. I started with my PPL at FAGC in 1991 and after 14 hours realised I loved Gyrocopters more then Fixed wings. Its just safer....

I must say I am very excited to know that the population in CAA have began to recognise that Gyros are safe. We should get more of them on flips... cummon guys in GP - FAGC FAGM FAKR, Invite them to fly with you. There are hundreds of pilots who appreciate any little bit of work done to remove the negative safety perceptions of Gyroplanes.

Whilst on my PPL Ground School many of the other PPL students made a huge mockery of Gyro having no 'ceiling'. When I told them it was actually 23000ft (FL230) they were shocked and I was smiling all the way to my a/c. Without experiencing a Gyro in flight or in a "stall" I don't believe they know what they are missing (or talking about)

Anyway - more about the Commercial PPL-G The following documents will help:

PRACTICAL SKILLS TEST REPORT FOR PART 96 AUTHORISATION

APPLICATION FOR A PART 96 AUTHORISATION

FEES 2009


PPL Ground School. For those of you who flew thru your Ground School look at the new curriculum.

[Grumpy]

I have started training on a Magni M16 with Len Klopper

I would watch out for that instructor, he's a bit of a cowboy

[Gyronaut]

TAKE THAT BACK Grumpy!
Under your influence I may have become a bit of a cowboy behind the bar but certainly never in the air!

Then again.... come to think of it... I was not the one that threw a glass right through a windowpane (mine I might add) while aiming at the rubbish bin and missed... remember?
I have witnesses to said event. Lets not start quoting incidents shall we!?

While I criticize Grumpy's aim, I will add that he plays the guitar exceptionally well and is one helluva entertainer!
If he behaved better I would recommend him for any party, but alas...

[Sukkelaar]

Please post some pics of this

Sukkelaar

[THI]

While I criticize Grumpy's aim, I will add that he plays the guitar exceptionally well and is one helluva entertainer!
If he behaved better I would recommend him for any party, but alas...

THIS I GOT TO SEE!!!

[Grumpy]

I was not the one that threw a glass right through a windowpane

I beg your pardon.......... Mr Sir, It was not a glass, it was an empty bottle. And may I ad that this went through the window that YOU cracked while aiming for the dustbin with your 'cream liquor' (yummy) bottle. "Sigh"!! Remember??? If not, I understand. A good time was had by all.
But you're still a cowboy (behind the pub) old chop !!

[johnht]

Since my post on 27 January re the above, I have pursued the requirements for the Gyro-Comm licence.

It's by no means as simple as I orignally understood (part 96). As things stand at the moment (per CAA and RAASA), it is necessary to be in possession of a current comm licence (VFR is fine) and an appropriate Gyroplane rating. It is also necessry to operate under a registered ATO. Any work for remuneration must be in accordance with the ATO's approved operating licence.

I also established that the Part 96 authorisation will be finalised in the near future by RAASA, but will have restrictions ito what 'commercial operations' will be permissable.

John

ZU-REB