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[Bacardi]

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[Tumbleweed]

Should,nt charge more than R300.00 p/h. Are you buying the same type that you started on? Wheel and deal.

I bought a Raptor 582 after going solo on a Windlass 503 and after finishing my final flight test there was disparity whether a student is allowed to do a conversion to another type whilst in training?

[Morph]

Good one Bacardi

My training was initially done in JHB in 2000 but I did not complete the licence. I then finally completed it at Saldanha in 2005. I paid for ground school, etc and only an Instructors fee since I had my own plane, fuel etc. I think it worked out at R200 per hour. If they insist on the full price, insist on using their planes and fuel and stuff.

[Thunderboy]

I have heard that MPL instructors charge more than PPL instructors as there are so many PPL instructors out there trying to 'build hours'

[John Young]

Real figures would be welcome, but I do not want to extract confidential information.

Hi Bacardi,

Rule of thumb –

MPL total cost R 20 000 in school trike [wet] at 40 hours total training.

MPL in own trike for 40 hours - R 10 000 [excludes fuel and maintenance]. Allow approx R 3 500 for fuel and oil and another couple of R 100 for plugs, fuel filters, exhaust springs etc.

I did my MPL on my own trike.

Regards
John ZU-CIB

[lamercyfly]

Hi folk.

You can expect to pay between R250 and R330 per hour to train on your own aircraft.

You will also pay hangar space, and supply your own fuel and all running costs. You may also have to pay to have the aircraft put onto 'owner training', under the licence of the school where you are training. This may cost in the region of R100 to CAA.

Remember that you are not just paying for the labour of the instructor, but you are paying for a facility - the school. A facility that comes with huge responsibility and administrative liability. So, I do not believe that the above rates are unreasonable.

Concerning Microlight Instructors charging more than PPL, yes, this is the rule. I pay my MPL instructors more than double what the schools at Virginia pay their PPL instructors. This is mainly because microlight instructors become career instructors. ie, this is their passion, not their 'hour building' exercise. PPL instructors (at least the vast majority) are only in it for the hours they are building.

Another matter to consider is that I do not advocate putting more than one microlight student in the circuit at the same time, at least during the first 3 - 5 hours. The student needs the full attention of the ground instructor, and this is not possible if there is more than one student doing circuits. I like to be able to listen to my students engine, and how he/she is managing the engine during the entire circuit. I cannot do this if there are other engines in the circuit.

And lastly, No, a student cannot do a conversion onto another type during training. All types which are going to be flown solo by the student HAVE TO BE REFLECTED ON THE STUDENT PILOT LICENCE. So, if you need to change onto a type which is not on your SPL, then you MUST first get a renewed SPL, reflecting the new type. I overcome this problem by applying for most of the common microlights - Aquillla, Raptor, Windlass and Aerotrike to be included on the original SPL.

Hope this helps.

Talk later,

David.

[KFA]

To add to David, a MPL instructor can only instruct 2-3 hours on a good day where as a PPL instructor can instruct the whole day thus earning more per day than a MPL instructor. You are also lucky if you get more than 4 instruction days in a week depending on the season ofcoarse. We charge R250 - R300/hr of which R100/hr goes to the school for the license and use of facility.

[Bacardi]

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[FAWGie]

The rate sheet below might help you understand....(This one is for Border Microflight School : East London

Note that the owner training rate is R330 per hour....

You will notice that the instructor's fee is R250 per hour for most types which forms part of that fee. Previously there has been some debate that why do MPL Instructors earn more per hour than PPL Instructors. Well, the simple truth is that generally PPL Instructors are low time com pilots who are doing whatever they can to build hours while they are busy with their ATP in working towards a job on an airline and are willing to fly sometimes literally for food, etc.... Microlighting is generally sport & recreation geared and seldom will you find a "career pilot" who is hour building on MPL type. Then the weather is not always as conducive with MPL aircraft as with PPL aircraft (Heavier craft are less affected by wind) So for most MPL instructors who are usually fairly experienced pilots that must drive to and from a remote airfield for one session at a time, the compensation is at a premium......The up side is usually most MPL instructors offer you a wealth of knowledge and pay attention to the finer aspects of making you a competent pilot in comparison to a 20 year old who is jockeying for a possible right hand seat on a 20 seater and you are just one of the sausages he is forced to contend with to get to where he is going and whose passion is not actually in training you to the best of his ability... (Please note here that I am generalizing as there are many excellent experienced PPL instructors out there too and of course too many bad MPL instructors as well - ask Dave Daniels to comment on this issue)

[Tower]

and being solo, I find that one instructor can put two or more solo's in the patters simultaneously.

If my instruvtor did that, I would have been very PI ED off.

Besides, I dont think it is legal

Anyone with more experience know maybe

[FAWGie]

and being solo, I find that one instructor can put two or more solo's in the patters simultaneously.

If my instruvtor did that, I would have been very PI ED off.

Besides, I dont think it is legal

Anyone with more experience know maybe

The legal issue is that the Instructor must be present at the airfield to authorise your flight. This obviously is done so that the Instructor's experience with regard to weather, etc... will play a role as well as ensuring that the student is "practice current" (Has flown recently and not forgotton how to fly solo). Then the obligation of the Instructor is to offer radio contact with the student, especially in the early stages of going solo, sometimes to talk through the landings, etc....

It is obvious then that an Instructor could supervisor more than one flight simultaneously, especially if the students are at different levels of progress (like signing the student off for a solo cross country and then supervising a student in the circuit)

Just remember that the instructor is only compensated for their hobbs air time and NOT pre and post flight briefings plus the time & cost taken to travel to/from the airfield. Any other profession would charge you for every minute (some professions will charge you for postage and petties too... )

At the end of the day, your instructor is there to keep you safe to fly another day, so why begrudge hem/her if they are able to multitask?