Instructor Training

[PastMaster]

What is the requirements if i want to do a Grade C Instructor Rating?
What is the procedure to follow and what paper work is required by CAA, Aeroclub and MISASA ?
How many flying hours is required?

Please assist

[Fairy Flycatcher]

Firstly, you will have to find a school which offers the course. Its quite a lot of work to give an instructors course, so this can be a bit difficult. Only A-grade instructors may offer the course, do the flight test and the patter training, and this only under schools approved by CAA.

You will need a minimum of 200 hours total time before your instructor's rating is issued.
You can count your patter training hours during your instructors course though, which means that you can have less than 200 when you start the course. You can also complete youf flying hours within 30 days of passing your flight-test and still get your rating.

Typically, the course requires 10 hours of patter.

Neither MISASA nor Aero Club have anything to do with your instructors rating. You get it straight from CAA once you have completed the paperwork.

What is required at CAA is a certified copy of your logbook, accurately summarised and showing your instructors flight test (from an A-grade Instructor), an instructor's flight test form, and a fee of R 320.

There is no firm requirement for Theory, and very little real control. This, however, does NOT mean that microlight pilots are substandard. They just take more responsibility for themselves, and you will be hard pressed to find an active microlight instructor who is not passionate about what he does, and usually very good.

Stilll, if you want to be an instructor worth your salt, you should go to decent school which requires a lot from you before they will give you your piece of paper. One way of doing that is to get a reference from MISASA.

Make sure the school requires at least 10 hours of patter (flying from the back seat) from you, and give lectures and exams in at least the following subjects:

Principles of Instruction
Techniques of Instruction
Standard theory subjects (Met, Airlaw, Nav, Human Performance Limitations, Engines and Airframs, Principles of Flight)

Once you are a C-grade instructor, you have to work under direct supervision of a higher-grade instructor.

[DarkHelmet]

Question:

I am certified on type ZZ01 as per my license, I assume I must train with a similarly certified instructor.

Can I operate under a higher rated instructor that is not certified for my specific type? He is however MPL certified.

[RV4ker (RIP)]

What difference 4 3 axis? Do ppl hrs count. (was told 100hrs credit?)

If plane reg as light aircraft can you do mpl instruction on & do hrs count towards mpl instructors or must plane be reg 3 axis ml? Mine siimply says cert:NTCA.

Conversy if reg as ml can it be flown with ppl and do hrs count towards com?

I have cubby & would like 2 do ml instructors, but itis reg as ligh plane as school use for ppl tailwheel hr building 4 com???.. Seens a bit confusing....
Thanxx in advance.

[Fairy Flycatcher]

Question:

I am certified on type ZZ01 as per my license, I assume I must train with a similarly certified instructor.

Can I operate under a higher rated instructor that is not certified for my specific type? He is however MPL certified.

I think yours is ZZ03, Aerotrike. Your A-grade instructors' course instructor will have to be rated on it.

Once you have your C-grade, your supervising instructor (B or A) does not have to be rated on the aircraft you are training on, but remember, you will not be allowed to send a student solo, or do a flight test, so its a good idea to have your "supervising instructor" rated on same aircraft as you. Otherwise you are going to waste students' time.

[Fairy Flycatcher]

What difference 4 3 axis? Do ppl hrs count. (was told 100hrs credit?)

If plane reg as light aircraft can you do mpl instruction on & do hrs count towards mpl instructors or must plane be reg 3 axis ml? Mine siimply says cert:NTCA.

Conversy if reg as ml can it be flown with ppl and do hrs count towards com?

I have cubby & would like 2 do ml instructors, but itis reg as ligh plane as school use for ppl tailwheel hr building 4 com???.. Seens a bit confusing....
Thanxx in advance.

You can take up to 50% of your PPL hours, up to a maximum of 100hours as credit towards any microlight instructors rating (both weight-shift and fixed wing)

If you want to count the hours on an aircraft as microlight hours, that aircraft will have to be registered as a microlight, and you will have to get a conversion from a microlight instructor onto type. However, if its registered as a microlight, you may fly it under your PPL, just not count the hours towards CPL etc.

These lines are VERY confusing. Part 62 won't clear up a lot either. How many microlight hours now? How many PPL hours now? Consider that if you have over 200 hours PPL, you will need only 90 hours microlight to start the course, as you will do about 10 hours of patter.

[DarkHelmet]

And a B grade can send a student solo but not sign off on a Flight Test, only an A grade can do a flight test...

[DarkHelmet]

Next question - what are the requirements for B and A grade instructor rating respectively?

[Fairy Flycatcher]

And a B grade can send a student solo but not sign off on a Flight Test, only an A grade can do a flight test...

Nope. B-grade may do flight test, just not Instructor's flight test.

[Fairy Flycatcher]

Next question - what are the requirements for B and A grade instructor rating respectively?

Wow... slow down. You need 200 hours of instruction time to be considered for a B-grade, and you will need at least 500 hours of instruction plus MISASA approval for an A-grade

Those are the only CAA requirements at the moment, but we are working towards a slightly stricter protocol.

Many schools are stricter. For instance, you will not be able to get your B-licence through us unless you have met quite a few criteria, such as:
completed at least 3 students' training from beginning to end, all excercises,
given lectures in all subjects,
know your way around all the paper-work, including AIC's AIP's and other admin.
show commitment to all your students and keep a high standard of safety in your own flying.

But then again... thats just us.

To get to 200 hours of instruction takes a while though...

[DarkHelmet]

Thanks FF - I feel like a piece of C-grade beef now

/me pulls out the Weber and defrosts some steaks (hoping to braai in the rain!)

[RV4ker (RIP)]

What difference 4 3 axis? Do ppl hrs count. (was told 100hrs credit?)

If plane reg as light aircraft can you do mpl instruction on & do hrs count towards mpl instructors or must plane be reg 3 axis ml? Mine siimply says cert:NTCA.

Conversy if reg as ml can it be flown with ppl and do hrs count towards com?

I have cubby & would like 2 do ml instructors, but itis reg as ligh plane as school use for ppl tailwheel hr building 4 com???.. Seens a bit confusing....
Thanxx in advance.

You can take up to 50% of your PPL hours, up to a maximum of 100hours as credit towards any microlight instructors rating (both weight-shift and fixed wing)

If you want to count the hours on an aircraft as microlight hours, that aircraft will have to be registered as a microlight, and you will have to get a conversion from a microlight instructor onto type. However, if its registered as a microlight, you may fly it under your PPL, just not count the hours towards CPL etc.

These lines are VERY confusing. Part 62 won't clear up a lot either. How many microlight hours now? How many PPL hours now? Consider that if you have over 200 hours PPL, you will need only 90 hours microlight to start the course, as you will do about 10 hours of patter.

PROBLEM.

Have 700+hrs PPL, but only about 30hrs MPL as the cubby and 912 Cheetah time now it seems is PPL & not ML time. Any idea's where I can KLAP 70ish hrs on a ML that does not cost R500/hr . The cubby runs on smell of oil rag, but it pays for itself on PPL side...

Question?
How do you know if aircraft is reg aircraft as ML? All mine just say NTSC? Where would I look?

Question 2:
Is it possible to change between the 2 (ML & Light aerie)? I was looking at a ML reg'd Cubby, but wanted to use in school for PPL comm hrs. CAA inspector told me I just write a letter to change? Is it as simple as that. ? In end I settled for one already on flight school License which is reg'd as light plane...

If so following theorectical situation have any merrit?..
In Dec when school is quiet (Vaalies all at 084COMEFLY). I convert Cubby to ML, do the required 60 odd hrs, then re register as light plane in Jan and send back to the school? Only reason for this is that I can fly the Cubby 3-5hrs for every hr on school 3 axis plane... and I have to 2 maintenance inspection trips in Dec. In RV they take 2/3 days, but will set aside a week each and see if it worth it's salt. (FABB - Wolmaransstad, Bloemhoff - FASG - FAVB - FAJS - Postmasburg - FASS - Kuruman - FAVB - FADL - FAKD - FAPS - FABB (10+ hrs at 85mph flytime) twice - shold be funnn)

[RV4ker (RIP)]

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Is it possible to change between the 2 (ML & Light aerie)? I was looking at a ML reg'd Cubby, but wanted to use in school for PPL comm hrs. CAA inspector told me I just write a letter to change? Is it as simple as that. ? In end I settled for one already on flight school License which is reg'd as light plane...

If so following theorectical situation have any merrit?..
In Dec when school is quiet (Vaalies all at 084COMEFLY). I convert Cubby to ML, do the required 60 odd hrs, then re register as light plane in Jan and send back to the school? Only reason for this is that I can fly the Cubby 3-5hrs for every hr on school 3 axis plane... and I have to 2 maintenance inspection trips in Dec. In RV they take 2/3 days, but will set aside a week each and see if it worth it's salt. (FABB - Wolmaransstad, Bloemhoff - FASG - FAVB - FAJS - Postmasburg - FASS - Kuruman - FAVB - FADL - FAKD - FAPS - FABB (10+ hrs at 85mph flytime) twice - shold be funnn)

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[Fairy Flycatcher]

Question?
How do you know if aircraft is reg aircraft as ML? All mine just say NTSC? Where would I look?

Have a look at your authority to fly. For a microlight it reads: "Authority to fly for a Microlight, Amateur Built, not certified productions built and kit built aircraft"

You can get your aircraft registered as a microlight if you can prove that it meets the following criteria: For a 2-seater it must have a maximum all up weight of less than 450kg AND it must have be able to fly at MAUW at less than 65km/h. (This does not mean a stall speed of 65km/h, it means it can fly at LESS than 65km/h.

Question 2:
Is it possible to change between the 2 (ML & Light aerie)? I was looking at a ML reg'd Cubby, but wanted to use in school for PPL comm hrs. CAA inspector told me I just write a letter to change? Is it as simple as that. ? In end I settled for one already on flight school License which is reg'd as light plane...

Once you have proved the above to the CAA engineering department, you will be allowed to fly your aircraft as a microlight if you have had a microlight instructor do your conversion, and you may fly it under your PPL if you had a PPL instructor do your conversion.

This is a very confusing area of microlighting, and it has been for years Chances are that with the right amount of persistence, you can do anything. Just get whatever CAA tells you in writing... its flavour of the day otherwise.

If so following theorectical situation have any merrit?..
In Dec when school is quiet (Vaalies all at 084COMEFLY). I convert Cubby to ML, do the required 60 odd hrs, then re register as light plane in Jan and send back to the school? Only reason for this is that I can fly the Cubby 3-5hrs for every hr on school 3 axis plane... and I have to 2 maintenance inspection trips in Dec. In RV they take 2/3 days, but will set aside a week each and see if it worth it's salt. (FABB - Wolmaransstad, Bloemhoff - FASG - FAVB - FAJS - Postmasburg - FASS - Kuruman - FAVB - FADL - FAKD - FAPS - FABB (10+ hrs at 85mph flytime) twice - shold be funnn)

This is the way I understand it. It has not been sorted out yet, and not tested in court, so for the time being, whatever you can get in writing from CAA stands. Basically, it means whatever you want to do, as long as there is some substantiation for your thought process in the Law.

You can fly hours as MPL hours on a microlight which you have been converted onto by a microlight instructor, and you can fly that same aircraft as PPL if you have been converted onto it by a PPL instructor.

So if you manage to convince the CAA Certification departement that your plane does comply with the requirements of a microlight, you have to get a microlight instructor to convert you onto the aircraft as a microlight (even if you have 600 hours on type!), and then those hours flown as a microlight pilot, may NOT double as PPL hours and may not be taken into account for "hour-building"

This is mildly insane though, as you can buy a great little 3-axis plane like a Flight-star single seater for about R 40 000, fly it at a running cost of about R 150/hr (all in), have loads of fun , get the feel of what microlighting is all aobut ( open cockpit, bum in a hammock) and not hit your head with every angle of the industry you can

I'm not sure why you want to be a microlight instructor if you want to fly things which are not sort of like microlights

[RV4ker (RIP)]

Thanks FF.

Cubby is well within microlight category.

I fly the non ML types for business (transport vs getting paid to fly), the ML's are for Fun. I keen to do the ML instructors course - Not necessaily to instruct but better pilot, always learning and all that...

There is demand for occational introflight, instruction and consolidation in some of the remoter areas I go to for business. 1 word - OPTIONS..... Don't want to drive a desk all my life....