Questions in general, related to the syllabus

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Questions in general, related to the syllabus

Postby Alkemac » Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:57 am

I cant find any definitive answers related to the following -can someone please cast light on this ?

1) Who has right of way – an aircraft about to backtrack the runway, or an aircraft on final approach to land ?

2) How do the procedures differ in flight as opposed to during take off - apart from the fact that height is very restricted ?

3) What do the following mean ?

Orbit
Line up and wait behind
Continue approach
Call area outbound

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Re: Questions in general, related to the syllabus

Postby Wargames » Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:19 pm

Alkemac wrote:I cant find any definitive answers related to the following -can someone please cast light on this ?

1) Who has right of way – an aircraft about to backtrack the runway, or an aircraft on final approach to land ?
Not very difficult. Aircraft on approach cannot land before aircraft on runway vacate. That is the reason ATC get anxious for aircraft to vacate as soon and quick as possible.
Alkemac wrote: 2) How do the procedures differ in flight as opposed to during take off - apart from the fact that height is very restricted ?
Can you give an example as to what precisely your question is??

3) What do the following mean ?
Alkemac wrote: Orbit
Stay where you are. If ATC says orbit to the right, you make a tight right turn and keep the turn going for as long as they require it. Keep a reference on the ground, and stay overhead that reference. Kind of like a moth to a candle.
Alkemac wrote: Line up and wait behind
You are allowed to enter and line up the runway, but you do not have permission to take of yet.
Alkemac wrote: Continue approach
Normally when you are on final approach with an other aircraft on the runway, the ATC will tell you to continue approach, but if there is not enough clearance, he will ask you to around, other wise you can land. This is not yet a cleared to land call.
Alkemac wrote: Call area outbound
Normally taking of from runway, you will make a call 5nm outbound from airfield. Normally the boundary of ATZ as well.
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Re: Questions in general, related to the syllabus

Postby mak » Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:55 pm

Alkemac, I think Wargames misread the first question, the aircraft on final approach has right of way over an aircraft "ABOUT" to backtrack.
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Postby Alkemac » Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:56 pm

My apologies - it relates to engine failure, for question 2. :oops:
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Postby Alkemac » Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:12 pm

Thanks Mak - the approaching aircraft may have right of way, but the aircraft on the runway, albeit at the end, may be obstructing it, and could cause an accident.

Surely common sense would indicate that the aircraft on the runway should move off of it, and if necessary, the approaching aircraft should go around if necessary.
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Re: Questions in general, related to the syllabus

Postby Wargames » Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:18 pm

Alkemac wrote:My apologies - it relates to engine failure, for question 2. :oops:
No Problem.

EFATO is obvious something that you don't want, because a decision needs to be made within seconds. That is where the safety briefing comes into play.

And here goes(@ holding point):

1. If engine fails while still on the ground, you close throttle and apply brake as necessary.
2. If engine fails with enough runway available, you land back on the runway.
3. If engine fails without enough runway available, you pick a spot 15 degrees on either side of the runway in front of you.

After that, pick a spot.

The important thing to do before take off is to run through the engine failure procedure on the ground. Carb heat set, mixture set, throttle set, mags both, fuel pump, fuel valve open. If you have done it prior to take off, there is no need to waste time to run through them again. Just pick a spot where to land.

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Re: Questions in general, related to the syllabus

Postby Wargames » Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:22 pm

mak wrote:Alkemac, I think Wargames misread the first question, the aircraft on final approach has right of way over an aircraft "ABOUT" to backtrack.
True, but the situation has a lot of variables.

My answer came from where an aircraft landed, and then need to backtrack before he can vacate. Then the aircraft on the runway has right of way.

On your take I presume that the aircraft is on holding point, and need to enter and backtrack before he can line up for take off. In this case it the approaching aircraft has right of way.

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