The thread killer - advice being given on this forum

[kloot piloot]

Skybound, your post is totally smokkeling with my kop ?! Unless you meant the opposite !

this technical forum are providing the incorrect advice

Then you say:

Take it to your AP or AME.

And then you say that by taking it to your AP kills the post:

(The thread killer )

And then :

you are not even allowed to change your own spark plugs under normal circumstances. I dont agree with them

Are you against changing your own plugs or not ? Are you against removing white sludge from your carb bowl yourselve or not ? Am I right by saying what you question is where the border lies between what you may do yourselve, and what you may not do ?

If so,I agree with you whole heartedly. Example ...

My Rotax 503 is mounted upside down. Once in a blue winter I will flood it on start up. My instructor (not a poepol) showed me how to remove the sparkplugs, clean the petrol "in" them, screw back in, and voila she starts.

Should I have done what the Windhoek Lager ad says ? "Keep it real" or should I "Gonna call your mamma (AP) ?"

Rotax manual says "keep it real". Clean the white sh@t from the bowls, remove those darn plugs, and then start the engine. To hell with mamma (AP), on this example.

And if I can undo my plugs to remove the foul, then I can also install new plugs - without mamma. En dan skryf ek dit nog in my airframe logbook ook !

3 Hoera's for advice given on this forum

[falconp1]

Let's not shot the man down. I think that he has brought up something very important here. We all bitch (me included) after the fact. We need to stand together on this and get it changed.Strength in number's . The squeaky wheel gets the oil.

MISASA has our mandate so represents us as group. It is terrible that some one like Kalahari and who knows how many more have had to leave the sport because of this. Can MISASA maybe respond and give us a clue as to why this regulation went through even though there were objections or attempts to have it amended.

We all know someone out there that is or has flown illegally in some form or other. We don't need it to be made worse.

[skybound®]

Sorry Kloot - no smokkeling intended.

I am all for changing our own plugs, filters, etc (the light line maintenance stuff). I used to really enjoy it. Dismantling of motors and any structural stuff - nah - personally being a keyboard jockey - would rather leave it to the guys who know better than me. But I would rather that by choice and not by regulation. The way the regulations are at the moment - you are not allowed to even change your spark plugs - let alone sign your airframe logbook as you suggest. Only an AP may sign off an entry in the aircraft logbooks.

What I was trying to suggest as this being a thread killer is that by offering advice you are assisting someone to break the current, silly, stoopid, bezerck laws. Who knows maybe you could also be through some stretch become an accomplice

As a comparison and an exageration to prove the point, what if someone posted - How do I take off in a trike? From the post you can see that the person is not licenced, and not working through a school - what would the response be? Go see an instructor! (The thread killer) I doubt any further advice would be forthcoming and the thread dies

I want the laws amdended to be more sensible than they are now, and only way to gain support was via perhaps reminding others as to where we are at present and also point out the real legal risk if persons do perform their own maintenance illegally.

[Africa]

Roger, you are 100% on the numbers here! very worrying where this is heading..LOL

[kloot piloot]

Ah, thanks Skybound, yes I am fully with you on this now.
Totally agree with your viewpoint !

What I was trying to suggest as this being a thread killer is that by offering advice you are assisting someone to break the current, silly, stoopid, bezerck laws. Who knows maybe you could also be through some stretch become an accomplice

Very valid example !

[John Young]

I want the laws amdended to be more sensible than they are now, and only way to gain support was via perhaps reminding others as to where we are at present.

Hi,

As the "laws" stand now, they are insane. My biggest gripes are -

1. No owner-supervised maintenance.

2. Test flight by a rated test pilot after all / any maintenance - how impractical for many.

3. Skills test every 2 years regardless of TT, hours last 12 months, time on type - just completely uncapped.

My last ATF & MPL renewal cost R 3300.00 (excluding a medical).

There is a thread on this somewhere - will see if I can find it.

Regards
John ZU-sEXY

[Oupa-G]

There is a great demand for knowledge we have had almost 100,000 hits on the Safari project. We are working with grown-up people that are serious about there flying. I personally believe that an owner maintained aircraft inspected yearly by an AP is a safe machine to fly in. Where the owner needs advise and knowledge he can ask . Most people and AP's share their knowledge. There are not enough AP's to maintain the fleet. An engine stopping does not mean instant death, however flying into a 10 KV line has an almost 100% chance to terminate your life. The death penalty is still around in flying with no juries or lawyers to fight your case, and the judgement is short and not so sweat.

May owner maintenance prosper it is the only way our beloved sport can survive.


Cheers Oupa-G

[BOOMARANG]

I posted the thread that refers to the white stuff in the carburettor that lead to this thread .

AND HERE COMES THE BOMBSHELL!!!

1)My first trike I bought did not want to rev to 6500 rpm but only to 6000.After I took the tops off i found that the one cylinder head had no gasget, and the other cylinder head had TWO gasgets on, I looked in the logbook and see that an AP with the name of XXXXX has done the job and signed for it.

2) I bought another trike and have the problem as described in my thread (Rotax 582 carbutettor problems) I thought it was the revs that was to low , but after a short while the same problem surfaces again. I get a PM from a pilot that ask who the AP was that zeroed the engine and signed the logbook. It was the same MR XXXXX as mentioned above. The pilot informed me that he had excactly the same problem and that the same AP done the job and then told me what to look for. I go look and see that excacrly the same mistake was made.

The AP in question is a very welknown and respected person and regarded as a boffin (to use the army term)
So who do i trust.............
I know not all AP's are not bad, but I have had two negative experiences. Both caused by the the same AP.

All MISASA and CAA rules would not have helped me as the signature by a qualified AP on my maintanance logbook was useless and if i had to abort a landing the engine would have bogged down. In the end the advice of a unqualified pilot helped me.

So who do I trust.......

[skybound®]

Sorry Boomarang - tried to disguise and mock it up a bit - had no intention of pointing finger at your particular post. There are many posts on this forum that meet the qualification - so I request forgiveness for a 'pointy' finger if it came out that way.

As far as your experience - you are spot on. You can ask anyone who has owned a Type Certified Aircraft, also very similar experiences there with AMEs and AMOs. One would be think that it would be far better from an AMO/AME as their systems have been in place far longer than our newer regulations.

[bobthebuilder]

I see it every day in the engineering field.
"Qualified" people who take no pride in the work the produce.

[Thatchman]

The mind boggles

We cannot change a spark plug yet we can take the wing off, fold it up and then rig it and put it back on again

That that makes a lot of F@#$&g sense NOT.

[Africa]

The mind boggles

We cannot change a spark plug yet we can take the wing off, fold it up and then rig it and put it back on again

That that makes a lot of F@#$&g sense NOT.

very well said!! who the hell came up with these dumb ass rules anyway? it was not like this a few years ago?

[coastwise]

Thatchman not so loud. Just now they see your post and realise they forgot to add the rigging and derigging of the wing.
Give the sods half a chance and we will have to get the AP out to remove a wheel to repair a puncture.

[skybound®]

Give the sods half a chance and we will have to get the AP out to remove a wheel to repair a puncture.

You may have said that in jest - but the sad thing is that the reality is exactly that. You are only allowed to repair a puncture if en-route. If you are at your home base - call the AP.

[Africa]

I see alot of Illegal flying coming to SA. A farmer in the middle of the karoo is not going to call an AP to rig or derig his wing or fix a flat tire. Unreal, this post should not be called Thread killer but rather Microlight sport killer