Airmagic and Vertex Pilot 3 (VXA-300)

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Airmagic and Vertex Pilot 3 (VXA-300)

Postby Loco » Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:05 pm

Hi guys

I'm really g@tvol of having radio issues and at the point of throwing my radio in the trash :(

Sometimes people can hear me 5/5 and at times (fairly regularly) for no apparent reason 1/5

I have a brand new Airmagic chatterbox, new Airmagic headsets, Airmagic V-rabbit antennae and ...
Vertex Pilot 3 (VXA-300) radio:
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Anybody have this combo without issues?

Paul reckons I should have rather gotten the VXA-200 as it works better with he's chatterbox system!?!?:
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Can someone tell me technically why the VXA-200 would be better than the VXA-300?

And anybody wanna swap me a 200 for my 300!? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Airmagic and Vertex Pilot 3 (VXA-300)

Postby Air Hog » Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:30 pm

Hi Ant
I have an almost new VXA-220 which I only use as a hand radio and I know it work 100% with Chatterbox, I will swap
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Re: Airmagic and Vertex Pilot 3 (VXA-300)

Postby Loco » Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:58 pm

Air Hog wrote:Hi Ant
I have an almost new VXA-220 which I only use as a hand radio and I know it work 100% with Chatterbox, I will swap
Thanks Johan, I'm going to try another antennae tomorrow to see if it makes any difference, will let you know if you still want to swap

Still wondering technically why the 220 works better than the 300, always thought the 300 is better since it costs way more...???

http://www.yaesu.com/indexVS.cfm?cmd=Di ... Archived=1
The Vertex Standard VXA-220 Pro VI is a compact, stylish, solid and submersible hand-held transceiver providing communication on the International Aircraft Communication Band. Additionally, it provides receive on the Navigation Band.

The VXA-220 boasts 700 mW of clean audio output and it also provides 8.33 kHz synthesizer steps for the new narrow-band channel plan.

The VXA-220 displays information with our exclusive Omni-GlowTM display back-lighting for minimal degradation of your night vision. NOAA weather band monitoring, 8-character Alpha/Numeric Display, 150 Memory Channels, 100 “Book Memory” Channels, VOX, and Side Tone are just some of the many features provided. The channel configurations can be easily reprogrammed in minutes using the optional PC Programming Kit and your PC.



http://www.yaesu.com/indexVS.cfm?cmd=Di ... Archived=1
The Vertex Standard VXA-300 is a compact, stylish, solid hand-held transceiver providing communication (transmit and receive) capability on the International Aircraft Communication Band ("COM" band: 118 ~ 136.975 MHz), and it additionally provides VOR and CDI navigation features on the "NAV" band (108 ~ 117.975 MHz).

The VXA-300 boasts 0.8 Watt of clean audio output from its 1.4" (36-mm) diameter loudspeaker, and it also provides 8.33 kHz synthesizer steps for the receiving of the new narrow-band channel plan. The VXA-300 includes both Temperature and Supply Voltage displays with our exclusive Omni-GlowTM display back-lighting for minimal degradation of your night vision, NOAA weather band monitoring, 8-character Alpha/Numeric Display, 150 Memory Channels, and up to 100 "Book Memory" Channels. The channel configurations can be easily reprogrammed in minutes using the optional PC Programming Kit and your PC.
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Re: Airmagic and Vertex Pilot 3 (VXA-300)

Postby Madman » Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:57 pm

Ant :mrgreen:

Myself and Gavin has this combo and no issues..love it..crystal quality and I prefer the Pilot 3 VXA 300 ## ## ##

Gav is the Airmagic pro,pop in at Crosswinds and I am sure he can sort what ever issues you have ##

This clip,we both have the same system you have right now.You can decide about the quality :mrgreen:

Tank uses a Buzzcom system with an Icom radio,check out the vid.

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Re: Airmagic and Vertex Pilot 3 (VXA-300)

Postby Folla » Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:49 pm

Hi Ant.
Sit met die selfde probleem. Ontvang en stuur baie duidelik op die grond, maar die oomblik as ek 300ft. in die lug is gaan die 300 haywire.
Ook net by sekere gebiede. By Kroon in die cicuit is hy useless. Het die manual al oor en oor gelees en alle settings probeer stel. Het by Cape Avionics n 230 bestel. Kry hom more.
Dit is die nuwe weergawe van die vertex 220. Sal jou laat weet of dit beter gaan.
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Re: Airmagic and Vertex Pilot 3 (VXA-300)

Postby ZULU1 » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:31 am

Hello Ant and others, I do advise this in our instruction manual, also the Vee rabbit if too close to other stations will cause distortion. Main reason we dont advise the VXA300 is the fact that they pick up external radios stations from FM towers, I do know that Kroon has a FM mast nearby. This probably is why they have a transmit problem as well. The VXA220 and FTA230 have zero problems as many will report. Same reason as we no longer support the ICA6/24 series. Its not a Air MAgic product problem as we have clearly identified this with hundreds of hours of test flying. I have never had acceptable performance from a VXA150, 300 or 710 series. The older Icom ICA4 performs better. I advise owners and always get the same reply, I will try it and see. We have tried them and have seen !

For info..cut from instruction book for chatterbox series.

"Radio compatibility
The chatterbox has been upgraded over the past few years and supports many radio types. Air Magic advises the very popular Vertex Standard VXA220, this gives the ultimate performance possible with this system when coupled to the Vee rabbit trike antenna.
Other aviation radios that perform well with the system are the following: Icom ICA3/22, 4, 5/23,14, 200 and 210 series Microair 760
Radios we do not advise are the following but may be interfaced as a factory request:
Vertex standard VXA150,300 and 710 Icom ICA6/24 series which we advise to not use as this has a specially designed interface.
The standard chatterbox comes with a interconnect plug that allows a radio change without sending the unit back to the factory."

As always we are on stand by for technical help where needed and do try our best to sort out problems where possible...

Incidentally the VXA300 is more expensive as it has a VOR function, it was also designed years ago. When the VXA 220 came out, i did contact Yaesu way back and advised the faults with it, namely the SMA connector, i had one come out in flight, the non standard power connector and I moaned about the CT96 connector. With the FTA230, they fixed the SMA replacing with a BNC, they make a panel mount power cradle. We fixed the CT96 issue with a quick coupler. Now a perfect trike radio..probably didnt take my mail into consideration but its sorted now.

Just wish we could get spares for some of the older Icoms..we will no longer support the aged Icom ICA2/20 series and have stopped moulding the Icom twin plugs now.

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Re: Airmagic and Vertex Pilot 3 (VXA-300)

Postby Bundy » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:09 am

Hi Ant,

DBP flies with this combo VXA300 and the AM system and we have 5/5 comms with no issues whatsoever. Cant advise on your problem due to stupidity but we dont have any issues at all. I prefer the VXA300 as I find it easier to flick between stations...got bigger knobs! :lol:

Best thing I ever did was move to AM from the I like to buzz system...would never go back I promise you! (!!)

Just something for you knowlegeble folk to ponder? I have noticed that ALL the okes I know with comms issues are the guys who take their radio's out of the plane when not in use...connecting and re connecting terminals causes wear and tear and eventually bad connections I believe? Fragile little pins and sockets these...
What say the experts?

If you have a power supply and dont have security issues at your airfield I say leave the comms alone! ^
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Re: Airmagic and Vertex Pilot 3 (VXA-300)

Postby mulderpm » Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:12 pm

Hi Ant, hope you are well. I agree with all the statements especially, if it works don't voeter with it. Plugging and unplugging WILL eventually cause problems but also, a push connection can become "dry" joint (dirty) if left alone. As the problem is intermittent I would suggest the cause is one or both of the following.

Firstly, RF Interference or/and secondly, a bad connection in the external wiring. You could have RF interference from the radio itself. This RF feedback normally causes a squealing sound in the headset. Or RF interference from a strong transmitter in the area where you are flying (then you will only have the problem in that area). If all soldered connections are good then to make sure you do not have a “dry” joint, spray Servisol on all the radios connectors, aerial BNC connector, power plug and the microphone and speaker connectors. You can buy Servisol from Communica or Electronics 123 or next time you are at FABA I will do it for you. Make sure your radio has a good clean chassis ground connection. The negative must be well grounded. Secondly, check the SWR with an SWR meter (next time you are at FABA I can do it for you). Check that the forward power is constant and that the reflected power is as low as possible. If your antennae is mismatched you will have poor comms.

Mostly the comm problems I have seen were caused by bad connections. Our trikes are exposed to the elements and the electrical joints become corroded and tarnished. The mixing of all the different metal types on a trike is a major cause of corrosion. Just think of an electrical connection at the base of your ¼ wave whip antennae. It consists of a steel bolt, zink plating, a copper tag and the aluminium boom...now add rain water...lekker battery effect, resulting in a poor connection over time.

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Re: Airmagic and Vertex Pilot 3 (VXA-300)

Postby Loco » Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:00 pm

Thanks for the help guys, we redid some of the connections & will try it out this weekend, will feedback (^^)
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Re: Airmagic and Vertex Pilot 3 (VXA-300)

Postby Madman » Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:51 pm

Hey Loco s117

We can meet at Klip Saturday morning and check whats what...Gav,Tank and I will be meeting Gary and some Ingwe guys at Klip...Gary will give us some Klip coffee then we head to check the blomme in Delmas s040

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Re: Airmagic and Vertex Pilot 3 (VXA-300)

Postby mulderpm » Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:53 pm

Kom julle blommetjies kyk Saterdag? Tailwinds & Chain Gang gaan!
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Re: Airmagic and Vertex Pilot 3 (VXA-300)

Postby Madman » Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:54 pm

Haha,

Lesson learned...do not tie all your wires together coz I know it looks nice and neat...keep your aerial/comms wire far apart from your power cable :mrgreen:

My comms are now crystal :!:

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Re: Airmagic and Vertex Pilot 3 (VXA-300)

Postby Loco » Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:56 pm

For sure will see you oke's at the blommekies! (^^)

(haha sounds gay bunch of guys going to check out the blommies :lol: )
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