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Re: Ramp Inspection List

Postby Wargames » Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:00 am

Morph wrote:
bobthebuilder wrote:Is a compass compulsory?
I dont have one on my trike.
Yes, CAR 91.04.4,
You need a magnetic compass, timepiece, Altimeter and Airspeed indicator
Timepiece??

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Re: Ramp Inspection List

Postby Rob!n » Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:00 pm

What exactly is a flight folio?
Is it similar to the operators manual or aircraft/airframe logbook?
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Re: Ramp Inspection List

Postby Morph » Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:26 am

The flight folio is similar to the logbook, with extra stuff like fuel and oil entries and defects etc. The POH is the owners handbook for the plane. Need both
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Re: Ramp Inspection List

Postby RV4ker (RIP) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:20 pm

Morph wrote:The flight folio is similar to the logbook, with extra stuff like fuel and oil entries and defects etc. The POH is the owners handbook for the plane. Need both
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Re: Ramp Inspection List

Postby FO Gyro » Sun Oct 19, 2008 4:20 pm

CAA had one of their inspector's out at Fisantekraal yesterday, and the inspector said I needed 2 items which I am not so sure about:

1) He said we are supposed to carry original documents (ATF, Cert. of Registration etc.), and not certified copies, and
2) A fire extinguisher.

Can anyone tell me if this is correct?
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Re: Ramp Inspection List

Postby Morph » Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:37 am

They specify they do NOT want the original Log book in the aircraft due to the risk of fire, hence the requirment for a flight folio, but they now want orignial ATF and Registration. I wish they would make up their minds
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Re: Ramp Inspection List

Postby Grumpy » Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:54 am

Morph wrote:They specify they do NOT want the original Log book in the aircraft due to the risk of fire, hence the requirment for a flight folio, but they now want orignial ATF and Registration. I wish they would make up their minds
So the original ATF and Registration don't burn? (**)
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Re: Ramp Inspection List

Postby Wargames » Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:16 am

Grumpy wrote:
Morph wrote:They specify they do NOT want the original Log book in the aircraft due to the risk of fire, hence the requirment for a flight folio, but they now want orignial ATF and Registration. I wish they would make up their minds
So the original ATF and Registration don't burn? (**)
The mind boggles.
Thats why you need a fire extinguisher as well.

Next they will change the manual to state the following:
Fly the aircraft as deep into the crash as possible, while getting the fire extinguisher for immediate use
Then we must change the F in FREDA to Fuel & Fire extinguisher. With fuel being #2!! :wink: :wink:
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Re: Ramp Inspection List

Postby FO Gyro » Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:21 am

It amazes me why they even want to check documentation on board. Yes I know "The rules say...".

Why don't they just look up the aircraft's details on their electronic database?

Having the necessary documents on board is surely only useful when cross border, when the foreign DCA or CAA isn't able to verify if an aircraft has a valid authority to fly or certificate of airworthiness. At least in this case, being required to have the various documents at least has meaning, otherwise I don't see the point, particulary in an open cockpit where carrying pieces of loose paper isn't the easiest.
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Re: Ramp Inspection List

Postby Old, Fat and Hairy » Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:32 am

SACAA have records of your ATF and registration. They don't have records of your up to date logbook. No way to check the logbook if destroyed by fire but checking ATF and reg no problem.
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Re: Ramp Inspection List

Postby FO Gyro » Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:51 am

That's exactly my point.

It makes no difference how many hours the a/c has flown in the flight folio (as long as it hasn't exceeded it's the hours for its next service, and would the ramp inspection officer even know when this was?) , as long as it has a valid authority to fly and is correctly registered. He can also check at CAA if there is a valid Radio Station Licence as well. Waste of time him checking out the a/c at the airfield if you ask me.
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Re: Ramp Inspection List

Postby John Young » Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:37 pm

Arnulf wrote:Now where would I put this in my trike #-0
Hi Arnulf,

Do you know where we can get a smaller "tow behind" from? :wink:

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Re: Ramp Inspection List

Postby Arnulf » Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:51 am

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Re: Ramp Inspection List

Postby Eggbeater » Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:41 pm

Hi All

This is all quite interesting and, unless I am looking at the incorrect legislation which I doubt because I downloaded it off the SACAA website a few minutes ago, the following pertains with regard to documents to be carried on board an aircraft. The relevant legislation is found in Subpart 3, of Part 91.03.1 of the Civil Aviation Regulations, Issue 17.

SUBPART 3: DOCUMENTATION AND RECORDS

Documents to be carried on board
91.03.1 The owner or operator of an aircraft shall ensure that the following documents, or certified true copies thereof, are carried on board the aircraft on each individual flight:

(a) Deals with where the aircraft is engaged in an international flight and is not considered further.
(b) if the aircraft is engaged in a domestic flight -
(i) the certificate of registration;
(ii) the certificate of airworthiness;
(iii) the appropriate licence of each flight crew member;
(iv) the aircraft radio station licence;
(v) the certificate of release to service;
(vi) the aircraft flight manual referred to in regulation 91.03.2 or an equivalent document;
(vii) the mass and balance report;
(viii) the flight folio;
(ix) the MEL, if applicable;
(x) the noise certificate, if such a certificate has been issued for the type of aircraft; and
(xi) the list of visual signals for use by intercepting and intercepted aircraft.


So, with regard to the ramp inspectors insisting on seeing original as opposed to certified true copies of documents, they are wrong. My suggestion if one wants to push the envelope is to tell them that they are wrong, take down their details and report them to the SACAA while requesting that they be disciplined in some way or another for incompetence. I am at a loss as to how I should accept the version of an enforcer who does not know what he/she is actually enforcing. Perhaps they should be sent back for some form of retraining. If you are really sure of yourself and I have often wondered if this would be possible if a ramp inspector refuses to let you take off because, for example, you have certified true copies and not originals, call the SAPS and get them to investigate a case of unlawful interference with the operation of an aircraft and see if the aircraft hijack unit descends if there is such a thing.

With regard to the actual documents carried on board a microlight, ultralight, gyroplane or the like would be, my understanding is that these are the following:

(i) the certificate of registration; - we should have one of these
(ii) the certificate of airworthiness; - I think that this is the authority to fly
(iii) the appropriate licence of each flight crew member; - pilot's licence
(iv) the aircraft radio station licence; - we should have these or a receipt indicating that it has been paid
(v) the certificate of release to service; - this could be the authority to fly in which case (ii) falls away
(vi) the aircraft flight manual referred to in regulation 91.03.2 or an equivalent document; - we should have one of these
(vii) the mass and balance report; - this in the case of my gyroplane is an extract of the aircraft logbook
(viii) the flight folio; - this should be created for a particular flight or series of flights
(ix) the MEL, if applicable; - I don't think this is applicable
(x) the noise certificate, if such a certificate has been issued for the type of aircraft; - I don't think this is applicable
(xi) the list of visual signals for use by intercepting and intercepted aircraft - this we should have.

If you like I can try to post examples of (viii) and (xi)

What would be nice is to get the SACAA to provide us with their list if they have not done so already for then there can be no excuse for failing to carry the required documents.
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Re: Ramp Inspection List

Postby C205 » Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:54 pm

My goodness, all that would exceed the MTOW of my Quicksilver (without a pilot)! vhpy :lol: :lol:
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