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They are at it again!

Postby Badger » Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:52 am

I found this little article in the SA flyer news letter this morning and was just wondering when is it going to be our turn. They better get up early because I am usually at the airfield at 05:00 am. :twisted:

"Does the SAPS not have anything better to do than harass GA pilots?

In the last week, I have heard of two separate incidents where the SAP arrived at an airfield and demanded from pilots all the documents that should be carried on their aircraft. Following are examples of documents that should be carried. Airworthiness certificate, mass and balance, release certificate, radio licence and radio licence receipt, pilot’s licence, and if you are stopped just before takeoff or after landing, the actual mass and balance calculations for that specific flight.

At one airfield last week, eight policemen arrived in three separate vehicles from SAPS head office in Pretoria . They only found two pilots at the field and after questioning these pilots, the policemen said that they would return on Saturday to check all the rest of the aircraft at the field.

In another incident last week, it was reported that a pilot had his licence suspended when the police reported him to the CAA for not complying with the regulations. The pilot did not have all the documents on hand, and the CAA suspended his licence. The pilot will be forced to re-write the air-law exam before his licence will be reinstated. What nonsense.

The questions that have to be asked are:-
1. Why is the SAPS chasing around the country on this sort of paper trail, when people are being murdered, raped, hijacked, robbed and more?
2. Why is general aviation being targeted? I can understand if the SAPS was to check commercial airlines in the interest of air-safety for tourists and domestic passengers, but what is the motive behind checking general aviation?
3. Why do we pay the CAA levies, including R3/litre levy in aviation fuel? Surely the checking of documentation is its responsibility and if so, why has it delegated this role to the police?
4. What training have these people had to investigate these issues? One policeman asked the pilot of a Piper Cub, 'what kind of aeroplane is this?' Then he asked ‘why does this plane have a ZS registration, and that one over there have a ZU registration?’ Would these policemen even know what a weight and balance calculation looks like?
5. The SAPS has often used the excuse that it does not have enough vehicles to get to crime scenes on time or conduct patrols. Even if it does have vehicles, it does not have sufficient petrol to drive around in them. Why then does the SAPS send three vehicles all the way from Pretoria to investigate aircraft at airfields more than 50 km away?"
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Postby Tailspin » Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:23 am

Badger

I can only comment by saying we are doing something they wish they could do :o - and sorry to say they see $$ signs when they see and aircraft. :roll:

Figure the rest for yourself. :x

Make sure you have all the correct doc's on hand or should i say "copies" of such documents and they can only stay wishing.
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Postby Badger » Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:40 am

My ducks are all in a row, just to give every one a heads up of the sillyness going on on some of the other airfields. They are welcome to come and visit the hanger, will have rusks and hot coffe available.
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Postby ICEMAN » Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:54 am

Hypothetically of course......... would they (SAP) have any rights to demand paperwork for planes and pilots that are just standing around and not actually flying, or only those witnessed as flying............ ie how does this apply to planes that are in storage in hangars, or pilots that are just visiting a field for a social, or plane engines that are hot simply becoz they have been test run on the ground following a service or check :twisted: ............ if they cant even identify a plane type or registration number then i have a fundamental problem with them trying to police the system :evil: ...... kinda like debating the similarities between a landing strip and a fire break........ :wink:
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Postby Bacchus » Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:46 pm

I will keep quiet! Last time i spilled my beans i got problems from the forum bosses. Hehe. Nothing serious though.

Just keep on paying your taxes, ry op die stukkende paaie, betaal vir die sokkerstadions, soek vir elektrisiteit, hope the hospitals keep up, duurder kos, krag, petrol and be aware of the new found policemen on the airfields.

Somewhere money MUST come from. They probably reckon okes with planes have enough to dish out.
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Postby Chunky » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:42 pm

Easy....

1. Call the cop over closer.
2. Give him a nice klap on the side of the head.
3. Tell him to F@#$ Off.

Lats time that worked for me. Never heard from them again.
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Postby Ranger » Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:09 pm

When I flew to Baviaanskloof last year a few of them arrived at the airfield, Zandvlakte. They were very freindly and just wrote down our registration no's. Their explanation was that they were monitoring the traffic in the Baviaanskloof. Mmmmmmmmmm. If i was monitoring traffic i'd be on a stoep with binoculars. Maybe luckily we didn't look like a bunch of dagga koppe.
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Postby John Young » Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:39 pm

While I was on leave, several Senior Cops arrived at Cato Ridge.

They were frankly more interested in getting to know us better and spent hours chatting in the shade. Like most “boys” they like aircraft too. Their quest is not really for the 'innocent soft targets'.

Can’t say the same for traffic cops. :evil: :evil: :evil:

However, with their “all authority”, I wouldn’t like to have panier bags full of under sized crayfish or that green stuff ….. puff puff (by the way - what colour is it?)

Lekker okes – we swapped cell phones numbers etc.

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Postby Rudix » Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:54 pm

I have seen the SAPS twice at flying fields.

The first time was at Petit, they arrived while I was prepping the plane for flight, they were real interested in the plane and flying and asked lots of questions. Once I was ready to go they asked me to do a fly-by (I did) after taking off and that was that, quite a pleasant experience !

The second time was at Mawala lodge, as I landed the guys in blue walked over, asked me where I am from, where I am going, wrote down the registration along with my name and contact number and that was that. I asked "WHY ?" and they replied since Mawala is not that far away from the Botswana border they keep an eye on all the landings strips in that area, looking for smuggling. Again friendly guys and a pleasant experience. They never asked for papers or searched the plane.

Lets hope it stays like that !

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Postby Vertical Tango » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:51 am

It looks like you generally had not too bad experience with SAPS.
My concern is that SAPS or SACAA are now coming very frequently to airfields. No problem with that as we are all supposed to be legal. What I don't like is to have ANYONE asking me questions simply because they arive in a SAPS or SACAA vehicle. These guys are sometimes making threats, we look terrorised and they enjoy every minute of it.
I am suggesting that :
1 - SACAA must come clean with this and make an OFFICIAL statement that due to manpower shortage, they are using the services of SAPS.
2 - That SACAA have trained SAPS to deal with this matter.
3 - That the SACAA or SAPS officer who rocks up at the airfield can prove to pilot / owner of the aircraft that he has passed his AIRLAW exams and has a certificate allowing him to ask questions.

That would avoid the stupid questions related to ZS / ZU registrations etc...
I am still amaized to hear of that pilot who has to rewrite airlaw, simply based on a SAPS officer findings and not checked by SACAA !!!
I think that the Aeroclub should get involved into this scam. No wonder why so many guys had enough of it and are flying illegally.
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Postby Ranger » Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:00 am

that green stuff ….. (by the way - what colour is it?)
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Postby priester » Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:04 am

Very elementary my dear Watson

They need to gainfully employ the SAPS because of the absence of crime and it helps alleviate the terrible workload of SACAA. :evil:
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Postby skybound® » Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:56 pm

Our experience with these guys has only been positive and I say that even after they grounded one of our club aircraft at an away airfiled, as the receipt for the CofA was missing :oops: We flew the receipt out to the airfield and they let it proceed.

In SA any form of policing is a good thing, and dont let yourself be fooled that illegal stuff doesn't take place at these airfields - it does and should be stopped.

Can confirm for you Vertical Tango, that they have been trained by CAA to perform this function. You can ask Warloc on AvCom he performed the training for the CAA.
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Postby ICEMAN » Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:28 pm

that they have been trained by CAA to perform this function
I guess a few of them missed the "zs/zu registrations made easy 101" module....... :lol: :wink:
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Postby skybound® » Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:08 pm

Hehehehe. Not too sure about that. :lol: The ones that we have had contact with have a full understanding as to the difference between an ATF and a CofA are.

BUT with that said - if you troll these forums - you will somewhere find the question from a pilot/aircraft owner "What documents do I need to carry on board". So it may be a little rich for us to question the SAPS when even the pilot (who should know) has no clue as to what is legally required.

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