Why should we go?-why should we stay?

[Aerosan]

Guys what I'm trying to do is find a reason to stay in our beautiful country, or leave. I'm not interested in a argument of who`s wrong and who`s right, I'm want your sober, reasonable, opinions- short and sweet

Cheers San

[Coyote]

Its awesome in this country and the more the government mess up the more opportunity it creates for us private sector guys .I have emigrated and hated it in another country. I actually ached for home. My friends moved to Australia some years ago and spend their entire time wishing they were back here. I don’t want to live my life with those regrets.
Africa is in our blood !! you had better believe it – some people just manage to hide it better. The soil of this country runs in our blood !!! I am an African and even though we have our warts – It is still better here than anywhere else in the world.

[Nkwazi]

To stay: Braai, boerewors, biltong and rugby. Dont have to wash, iron, vacuum and clean. Normally blue skies and good weather. Cheap beer, petrol and electricity. Good meat, great sunsets and friends that share much the same interests. Wildlife, beaches, mountains, bush, fishing, flying, hiking, camping, hunting, potjiekos, rugby. Generally enjoying being an African. Probably the finest private medical treatment in the world. Not having to put up with whingeing poms, brash aussies, ignorant americans, and kiwis that fail every 4 years!!

To leave: Crime, crime, crime, incompetent government, crime, crime, incompetent government, et al.

Stay mate and make this country greater than what it is.

[Coyote]

What Nkwazi said........x2

[Cloud Warrior]

Reasons for emigrating to Oz:

Braai (ok so we have a barbie over here - same thing just use gas), boerewors (from the local butcher), biltong (imported or locally produced - and no, not beef jerkey, real egte regte biltong), rugby (Go the Force!), Mrs Ball chutney (local Coles supermarket stocks all the various kinds), rooibos tea. hen there is the added benefit of local Oz produce like Tim Tams & Vegemite (much better than Marmite!)

Normally blue skies and great weather. Cheap beer, petrol and electricity. Great beef (imported from Japan if you want), great sunsets and friends that share much the same interests.

Wildlife, beaches (that you can actually walk along without getting mugged), hills, bush, fishing, flying, hiking, camping, hunting, potjiekos, rugby (all activities that can be enjoyed without having to take extreme precautions to keep self, family and possessions safe and secure at all times).

Generally enjoying living in first-world Australia, "the lucky country". Probably the finest public medical treatment in the world. Fantastic public transport that really works and is on time. Not having to put up with whingeing whiteys, black "victimhood", incompetent politicians (they get sacked over here), power cuts, crime, stress, crumbling infrastructure, violence, car "guards", beggars at the door, squatters, etc, etc.....

OK so we don't have many mountains - we do have Uluru though.....

Aerosan - it is a no brainer. If you are having doubts come over here and have a look around. I have only met one South African over here who wanted to go back to SA - I think he was one of those people that wouldn't be happy anywhere in the world. I made my mind up to stay the first day that I was here. And you know what did it? I was able to go for a walk after dark (feeling absolutely safe) and saw single women jogging / walking along by themselves - my first reaction was "What the hell are you doing - why aren't you all at home? The sun has set people! Are you all crazy?" I realised that this was actually quite normal and that SA is the abnormal society. I don't want to live like that and I don't want my kids to grow up in an environment like that.

[Aerosan]

Demon, that is precisely where I'm at right now. I have lost 4 friends due to violent crimes, Rocky was stabbed and held down to bleed to death in front his 2 year old daughter and wife, Les had his throat slit. Morne was shot at point blank range and the killer simply strolled away for no reason. Then there was my gran. She never hurt anyone but these savages came to her house, p!ssed on her face, burnt her with cigarettes and some stuff that I do not want to write. These things are making me worry.
I have worked hard all my life, getting to a point now where I might just start to float now there is eskom and the 15% price increase (or whatever it is going to be) tax on the value of my house, this means that because I choose to build 70% of my myself, I could cut on labor costs and of course it only cost me about R550 000 to get to where it is but now I have to pay tax on R1 200 000 everything is slowly but surely turning down, like a slow long decent. I have to flog out cash for what? the roads are in a terrible state, the infrastructure is failing, and because of the color of my skin I have a target on my back I see so much promise in this country, but it sometimes feel like we are driven out. Like Demon says his friends felt they were, and I quote " "grateful" that they were only terrorized, robbed, and my mate (he is on avcom) pistol whipped, and that the girls were not abused Exclamation Evil or Very Mad " This isn't right guys we shouldn't consider ourselves lucky if a crime has been committed against you and you came out alive. If I was alone, no kids I would stay right here in this beautifull country If I stay and it becomes Zim no 2 I stuffed up at the expense of my family. If I go and it turns out to be OK I can always come back..... the difference between an emigrant and a refugee...about 3 years.

[RudiGreyling]

<SNIP>
Do you wait for it to happen to you or your daughter
I have serious doubts sometimes

DITTO ! I am thinking about this every day now!

[Massimo]

This is without doubt not and easy decision. And because we all love this country so much and know what it "could" or "did" offer it makes it even more difficult.

And this clouds our judgement as to what is normal and whats not. Like CLoud said this is "NOT" normal but we keep convincing ourselves until its too late and someone dies!!

Maybe the first step is to move away from Gauteng as 70% of all the k@k happens here

[Aerosan]

Massimo, isn't it inevitable that it will move down to wherever you go? IOW you will just be delaying the inevitable.

We need a change in the mindset of 42 million people, not in venue

[rainier]

Guys what I'm trying to do is find a reason to stay in our beautiful country, or leave. I'm not interested in a argument of who`s wrong and who`s right, I'm want your sober, reasonable, opinions- short and sweet

Cheers San

I was born in Bloenfontain but grew up in Germany. When I was 25 I decided to come back. I have not regretted it. Lived in Randburg until 2003 (did not like that too much) and moved to the Cape. Much better here, OK, let me repeat that MUCH better here.
But not 100%. Yes I can go walk the beach after dark but I'd not like Ria to do that on her own.
Should I leave again ?
Difficult, very difficult...

Rainier

[Chaz]

"UNITY" our only saving grace for the most beautiful country in the world. Unity between us the white race. We are the economic backbone and it's time it came into play.

We should and can start putting pressure but im afraid it's going to take a bit more than what is happening currently.

You's in Flying
CHAZ

[kloot piloot]

In 1994 I was the only positive person in my family ! The rest all stocked up with bully beef and candles, expecting the worst. I said that it would take one generation to change it all to normality. We are now halve-way through that generation and have another 14 years to go.

If it wasn't for the year that I worked in the UK prior to 1994, and subsequent work in Madagascar, Mocambique and Angola after 1994, I would not have known what the longing for my "mother-soil" meant to me.

But, admittedly, lately it has become more difficult to stay positive.

However, what makes me get up in the mornings (not easy anymore) is some sense of responsibility to try and play a role in the lives of my 125 employees, and the subsequent 500 mouths that they need to feed. If I succeed in convincing them not to vote for a bunch of crooks, then I will have succeeded in my quest to retain and preserve the beauty of my existince !

But Aerosan, if my 6 year old daughter gets raped tommorrow, I might just decide not to feed 625 mouths anymore.

Reason to stay: Trying to swing the vote for my kid's sake !
Reason to leave: Protecting myself for my kid's sake !

Next trick question ?

[Dre'man]

san the qustion you have is one only you can answer. Monday night my neighbor was attacked in their living room, I was 10sec away for shooting one of the B@$t@rd$ (I live in hope).

To leave you can go to the UK, my sister in law has just returned because she is not prepared to put their 5 year old son into the schooling system. There next door neighbors 8 yr old had to spend 3 weeks in drug rehab.

You can go to Aussie but for all eternity you have to listen to their negativity snootiness and whining. I lasted 6 weeks.

America if you get along with arrogant dumb ignorant self obsessed people it is the place to be.

Or you could be like me and every day do i thing that can make a difference. We don't live in a perfect society but it is vulnerable to positive influence.

Age old saying " the grass is greener because there is more sh!t to fertalize it"

All I can say is ask 100 people you will get 100 different answers, only you can answer the question.
You can run or choose to make a difference?

[Aerosan]

Ja Dre dis soos jy se. But the question still remains ag nou ja we will see I have 5 months to make up my mind and then that is that.

San

[Dre'man]

I had an opportunity to look at New Zealand but wife insisted we go over and check it out first, R48k just for return tickets for the 3 of us. Will have to win the lotto first unfortunately. It is diffucult, I look at things from all points of view. But like I said no one can make the decision for you. Only thing is if you decide to go you have to go with the mindset of accepting the change and don't look back. Until then do what you can to make as difference.