Microlighters

Microlighters

We must respect registerd airfields.
Aviators Paradise has raised they're unhappynes on the incident Sunday morning = thus a Very unhappy owner & instructor.

A solo student was rightfully in airspace freq:124.8Hz , +-10 microlights flew in full force into the airspace from Harties to Aeroden on freq:123.45Hz. This almost caused a disaster.
"Aeroden to join overhead on freq: 123.45". Thus meaning once overhead Freq: 123.45.

Aviators Paradise is not showing away anybody just asking to adhere to the rules of flight as training operations is in force.

Appolagies to Dale and his instructors. We respect your input.

Lesson:
Make sure of your radio work and airspace you intended crossing ,its only for your own safety and others.

Cheers

Agreed what was said above wrt to freqs. It was an unfortunate incident where the two airfields are very close to each other. The Microland group changed to 123.45 1 mile east of Aeroden approaching the circuit. Taking inconsideration that we needed to change from 125.4 to 124.8 to 123.45 within a distance of 3nm made it also difficult.

+-10 microlights flew in full force into the airspace from Harties to Aeroden on freq:123.45Hz. This almost caused a disaster.

We passed well south of Aviators at 5500 ft and his outburst was unasked over the RT and only added to the confusion. We made our call passing the Magalies and he should have been well affair of our route. Not sure what is meant by "This almost caused a disaster"

We flew into Aeroden about 3 weeks ago and I must say that Aviators is probably the most wide flown circuit I every seen

Anyway we take note of his concerns .. and will obey next time

Thanks Demon, pilots were also great and did not question any calls,
THANKS

P.S
(However the wife crapped werself in the back of your plane when you took her for a flip. She cannot believe that a microlight is so quick)

Hi guys,

Sitting in the cape of good hope, it was a bit far for my 55mph trike, maybe next year

Just my Zim$1.00 - I think that people must learn not to rely on their radios. I enjoy it when the radio is used a minimum. It make you look out better.

I was once in a situation where a cessna was in curcuit with me, and he called right base, when he was barely on right downwind. To compound the issue, was that he was using the crosswind runway and we were 3 trikes on the normal runway. In that case, yes make sure your radio work is on standard. But on a normal flight, and when not in the curcuit, dont be mad when someone is on the wrong frequency, it might be you next time, and then you would like some help.

Just use your eyes. Regards,

Not to worry, she was still full of adrenalin when we went to bed that it was a great benefit to me

Firstly, I'm not here to get into an argument or stop anyone from using the skies. You are all welcome even to Paradise airfield. Now, we have a full time flying school here. Usually we use the early mornings to send students solo. As this is a licensed airfield we have to adhere to CAA rules as well as Air Nav Regulations. This involves teaching students to fly a STANDARD circut. Which in fact takes us all the way to AERODEN and then almoast to the edge of the Magalliesburg. We also teach students to use correct radio prosedure. If any one knows of any other circut prosedure that I am not aware of, please be so good as to forward it to me and we will conform. If any pilot of any type of aircraft flies threw a REGISTARED airfield circut, there are also prosedures to follow. If you are not familiar with these prosedures, please contact me and I will assist you at NO CHARGE. Now think back to your first solo and then add 40 or so other aircraft flying threw your flight parth and think how you would feel. Feel free to contact me or visit me for a chat over a cold drink. Dale

Dale wrote:Firstly, I'm not here to get into an argument or stop anyone from using the skies. You are all welcome even to Paradise airfield. Now, we have a full time flying school here. Usually we use the early mornings to send students solo. As this is a licensed airfield we have to adhere to CAA rules as well as Air Nav Regulations. This involves teaching students to fly a STANDARD circut. Which in fact takes us all the way to AERODEN and then almoast to the edge of the Magalliesburg. We also teach students to use correct radio prosedure. If any one knows of any other circut prosedure that I am not aware of, please be so good as to forward it to me and we will conform. If any pilot of any type of aircraft flies threw a REGISTARED airfield circut, there are also prosedures to follow. If you are not familiar with these prosedures, please contact me and I will assist you at NO CHARGE. Now think back to your first solo and then add 40 or so other aircraft flying threw your flight parth and think how you would feel. Feel free to contact me or visit me for a chat over a cold drink. Dale

Hi Dale,

I agree 100%, there is nothing worse than planes flying through a circuit, and if unannounced it is even worse !

I am not sure how wide your circuits are, but as far as I know a "standard circuit" does not have a specific size (I might be wrong!).

I think the link below describes a "Standard Circuit" well.

http://www.witsflyingclub.co.za/help/howtofly_join.asp

Is there a specific size a standard circuit should be ? I would think it would depend a lot on the speed of the plane.

Hope to visit your field one of these days, it is on my list of "Fields to visit"
Fly safe,
Rudi

Hi Dale,

Thanks for registering and commenting on the matter. My intent is not to argue nor need I receive a lecture on airlaw or regulations, but to clear the air after what happened on Sunday which after your speech on 123.45 the outcome was that half of the 10 aircraft was on 124.8 and the other on 123.45 in the Aeroden circuit which became a major problem and dangerous.

CHARLIE WHISKEY wrote:S25.43.36 E27.44.23
Grass runway 900m x 25m
36 -18
Join overhead at 5000 ft.
Freq. - 123.45.
www.aeroden.co.za

See you all.
Cheers

My intent is to try and giving you insight to what happened and prevent such incident in future. If you recall we acknowledge your call as we passed south of Peaconwood and warning that the circuit was active and that you were busy with training, this was given by you on 125.8 It was clear that you were concerned.

We were forced to track slightly to the right due to the Griffen breeding area south of Aeroden. Passing the ridge we QSY to 124.80 and reported our position and intended routing to Aeroden. I called for a frequency change 1 mile east of Aeroden, overhead or 1 mile short will have make no difference.

After your speech on 123.45, it was clear to me that you were not briefed on this frequency change for the morning to accommodate aircraft at Aeroden for the breakfast, which I agree was that right thing to do in preventing congestion on 124.80

Anyway, the pic below indicates the track of the group and we hope that next time there would be co-ordination between Aviators and Aeroden with regard to frequency changes.

Regards, Sias

PS thanks rudix for the insight on a circuit pattern

Hi Guys , pse stop the nonsense , whilest patrolling the borders of Borakololo We heard the confusion on123, 45. Its just what the guys at CAA and the Blik aeries want to hear.
The microlights are undiciplined and cannot arrange a piss-up in a brewary> they have no consideration for one another???
When there is a fly inn at Microland we respect the visitors and assist with landing instructions . We dont fly solo students during a fly -inn . Bapsfontein and Microland as well as Petit have a rule - inform one another should you have a solo student and radio silence is upheld by all pilots .
Respect one another and treat one-another as you wish to be treated . Microland is a registered airfield as well , but communicationn with one another, in your case could have easily resolved the matter beforehand.
Solo students need exposure to traffic , but lets get real when your neighbour has a fly- inn must you insist to send the student solo.
Just a thought ????
QWhatever you do , do it safely Leprachaun.

First bit of sense in the whole topic!

Eish - Sorry this happened

I fly from Aviators Paradise and Dale is a good friend.

Dale, welcome to the forum - Thanks for sharing your thoughts and I think any microlighter who has landed at Aviators will agree that you are very accomodating and welcoming to all microlights (and any other airies) landing at our airfield.

Someone mentioned congestion on 124.80 - We fly on 124.80 every Sat and Sun, very little traffic guys, 125.80 - Different story

I am with Demon - I think the bottom line is that everyone should have been on 124.80 and Dale should have been informed of the fly-inn, DH and I are guilty there, even saw Dale Sun morning and kinda slipped the mind to tell him of the arsenal of airies on the way

Apologies to the solo student Dale, we will buy him/her a dop

D

Welcome to Microlighters Dale! Thanks for taking the time to register and post your thoughts!

I was sitting in front of the club house after this event and actually commented to Piet on how big the fixed wing circuits are.

Piet stated: Students take off and then climb to 500ft ASL then turn crosswind, they follow the 45 degree rule and when the runway 45 degree line is intercepted they turn downwind. So yes, the circuits are big.

The sky belongs to no-one and we can all share it if proper procedures are followed at all time.

I agree with Big D - He and I have a responsibility to our fellow pilots at Aviators and could have informed them of the influx of aeries yesterday morning. Hindsight will change our actions in the future.

The amount of frequency changes required for this fly in exiting the TMA was a bit hectic and I can understand the confusion from there. I was monitoring the radio on 124.8 afterwards and there is really not that much traffic compared to SRE.

How long does it take to have a special ATZ declared for an event like this? Don't think the planning for our fly-ins are done far enough in advance. I like demon's suggestion!

Let's work together to make our air safe for all of us and avoid incidents like this in the future!

DarkHelmet wrote:How long does it take to have a special ATZ declared for an event like this?

10. The AIRAC cycle must be taken into account for implementation
purposes. Proposers should note that after approval by the
Commissioner, any airspace change must be published allowing a
minimum of 56 days before the effective date of implementation

So require a heap of time before the event. 56+ (x) days for commish's approval+ (y) days to ensure it is in time for the quarterly airac cycle.

So if we plan a year in advance it can be official? I have not even planned my Tuesday yet...

That said in jest... How do we prevent this from happening again?

This will be my last comment on the subject. Yes there is a standard size for a circut. However, it depends on the speed and clime rate of the aircraft. But the height stays the same. And please note: This is 1000 ft AGL. There are very good reasons for this. Again we can discuss this over a beer or two. Now I did not INSIST on sending a student solo during a Fly inn. I was not informed of the Fly inn. THANK YOU. Also we have had this problem on a regular basis for 4 weeks now. I can't stop my school for 4 weeks. Sorry!! Now put yourselves in my shoes and try to understand my frustration. Now please guys, talk to me in future. Fly as much as you like even through FAAP circut. Expose my students to traffic. But do it in an orderly way and according to the rules.

Safe Flying everyone. Dale