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Surviving the crash - Fire-resistant clothing.

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:52 pm
by Learjet
There is a wise saying that "prevention is better than cure". And nowhere is this more relevant or applicable than when it comes to the horrific implications and treatment of bodily burns.

Whilst pilots generally have a very safety-conscious outlook, especially in terms of accident prevention, are we stopping short of the mark when it comes to our own self-preservation? :oops:

As a child I inadvertantly started a washing line inferno when I ran past some cotton shirts with a Guy Fawkes sparkler.

I'm reminded of that flaming episode whenever I feel a bit chilly on a flight and think about buying one of those cold-storage worker "fridge-suits" or one of those nicely insulated flight-suits - most of which seem to have a synthetic nylon or polyester outer. I currently use an old SAAF Nomex (fire resistant) flight-suit but they're certainly not very warm when you're flying in an open cockpit. Perhaps I'm being a bit paranoid here but it's something that weighs quite heavily on my mind when I consider the 70 litres of fuel sloshing around almost under my bum.

Reading through the CAA accident reports over the years is always sobering. All the more so when one reads the reports which make reference to post-accident fires. Quite a few of these instances may well have been far "less-serious" were it not for the ensuing fire.

The recent helicopter accident in Natal which claimed the lives of an experienced instructor and his brave student (who "walked away from the crash" before returning to try and rescue the instructor) had a desperately sad ending when both apparently succumbed to the their burn injuries. The student died several weeks later from complications arising from his severe burns. I don't know if they were wearing fire-resistant clothing, and I use this example not to judge or to speculate, but simply to illustrate the tragedy of surviving the physical impact of an aircraft accident only to succumb later to the horrific complications that arise from burn injuries.

Yet, we seldom seem think past the immediate eventuality of such an accident - the walking away from it part! Are we giving a enough consideration to this when we fly wearing nylon windbreakers or other synthetic weave fabric clothing? How often have you conscientiously attached that ground wire to your aircraft before refueling - yet stood there wearing static-prone nylon clothing!!!??

Nomex, Kevlar, Indura, modacrylic and other fire-resistant (and anti-static) materials used for flight-suits are fairly expensive (and often have very specific washing instructions!). But when one considers the agonising, disfiguring, treatment intensive, and all too frequently fatal consequences of severe burns, it's an investment that comes cheap at the price!

That said, there are other options and alternatives that one can consider. Leather, wool and even silk have fire resistent properties. (Did you know that virtually all the carpeting, seat covers, blankets and curtain fabric used on commercial airlines is pure wool?)

Various fabrics and weave types will have different burning characteristics. Heavier, closer weaves are harder to ignite than light ones. Cotton and linen burn with a vigorous hot flame whilst nylon, polyester and spandex burn more slowly than acrylic, but with the same melting (sticking to the body) and "dripping-flame" action. Thats not to say that all these fabrics are a no-go as many can be treated to improve their fire-resistant properties. Indura, for example, is 100% flame resistant cotton.

Fire-resistant or retardent fabrics are not necessarily "fire-proof"! They are simply fabrics (often chemically treated) which are harder to ignite, burn more slowly (allowing you time to remove) and which may even self-extinguish once the heat source is removed. This can make all the difference when it comes to reducing the extent of burns or surviving those "life or death" seconds it may take to escape from burning wreckage.

So yes, I guess I won't be making any fashion statements at the airfield wearing my bright orange ex-SAAF Nomex flight-suit. I'll weather the "Primi Piatti waiter" jokes - but hopefully, if the sh1t ever hits the fan, I won't come out of it looking like a pizza!

Dave

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:10 pm
by Dre'man
Sobering thoughts, although I paid a fair sum for my flightsuit I have not even concidered the above facts, in particular static risks when refuelling etc. :shock: :oops: :oops:

Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:00 am
by Dreamer
I imagine the best way to avoid fire resistant clothing being nescessary is to ensure that all your crashes are as a result of running out of fuel.. :lol:

Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 3:56 pm
by Arnulf
Good thread. But why don't we start at the basics? Last week again I observed somebody refueling a trike whilst smoking [0* >;((( [0* >;((( When we get this sorted, then lets look at the next step.

Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:07 pm
by Dre'man
Arnulf wrote:Good thread. But why don't we start at the basics? Last week again I observed somebody refueling a trike whilst smoking [0* >;((( [0* >;((( When we get this sorted, then lets look at the next step.
Sometimes as hard as we try there is just no substitute for pure stupidity, see darwin.com you will be amazed.

Re: Surviving the crash - Fire-resistant clothing.

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:44 am
by Learjet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU3-cpFf ... r_embedded

Nomex / Cotton / Polycotton overall test :shock:

Re: Surviving the crash - Fire-resistant clothing.

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:21 am
by Tailspin
What if the Fuel tanks are coated with a HD foam "Jacket" so to say, if there is a rupture or something then the foam absorbes most of the fuel before it starts just gushing out. It will not stop the Flow but it will slow it down before it Just sprays out.
Seen this in some Aircraft where the Tank takes a bullet and yes it leaks but it does not spray out, the foam sorta lets it seep out slower giving the pilot time to Land or whatever.

Re: Surviving the crash - Fire-resistant clothing.

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:48 am
by Bundy
That is a very sobering video clip Learjet! :shock:

Where does one buy a Nomex suit like the one in your Avatar?

Gavin.. Good suggestion re the foam. I posted a piece of an article from a Formula 1 website on the recent gyro crash thread. It seems they use Kevlar fuel tanks. Puncture, tear proof and mouldable. Problem is I think this kind of potentially life saving tech will come at a hell of a price. :wink:
I think this foam idea will perhaps be a lot cheaper! (IE more financially feasible)

Re: Surviving the crash - Fire-resistant clothing.

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:58 am
by Tailspin
I am looking into what exactly they use but it looks like a type of Neoprene(Diving suite) with a Flame resistant outer foam, total thickness is 5mm to 10mm depending. I am sure even a layer of this type foam in the right place will stop fuel spewing over the engine and going WOOF. You just want it to hold long enough to get the People out and clear of the wreck in the case of an accident or even just enough time for the motor to be killed and no sparks to fly.

Re: Surviving the crash - Fire-resistant clothing.

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:31 pm
by BONZAI BELL
After the last incident , i had my close fam. and friends up in arms. Promised them that i would investigate fire retardent clothing.
There is a co. in Durban that do these flight suits . Google them on Airwear.co.za
I also got hold of a co. in Bergbron Roodepoort called ATS motorsport.
I ended up buying two : level 2 , Fire retardent race car driving suits from them @ R.2000.00 ea.( which i think was money well spent)

According to the sales person , these suits would give u up to a maximum of 40 sec. to get yourself out of the fire.
What i do know , i wont be wearing my microlight suit in the gyro anymore.
Regards
Swannie