Help me pick
Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:18 pm
What will you choose and why? 
RAF 2000 .........R265k
Sycamore.........R220k
RAF 2000 .........R265k
Sycamore.........R220k
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:40 pm
why not the xenon
Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:50 pm
Moolas 100000000000 £ Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:53 pm
Hmmmmmmmmmm the Magni 
Local is lekker but the Sycamore seems to have earned its self a bad reputation for both safety and being over weight. I think the jury is still out on the RAF.
(There is a very nice trike in the for sale section. Personaly I would keep it and buy a 3-axis)
Local is lekker but the Sycamore seems to have earned its self a bad reputation for both safety and being over weight. I think the jury is still out on the RAF.
(There is a very nice trike in the for sale section. Personaly I would keep it and buy a 3-axis)
Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 6:53 pm
No comment this time round.
Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 7:56 pm
Anyone have an old Magni with a closed cockpit for sale for no more than 250k.
Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:39 pm
Go fly them yourself. Hear say is mudder of all F...ups. Some of the bad raps are often created by hear say from folks who don't know arse from elbow. Know nothing about the Sycamore, but have heard strong arguments both for and against the RAF. GO FLY IT.. 
Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:50 pm
Yip, thats what I need to do. Defenatly.RV4ker wrote:Go fly them yourself. Hear say is mudder of all F...ups. Some of the bad raps are often created by hear say from folks who don't know arse from elbow. Know nothing about the Sycamore, but have heard strong arguments both for and against the RAF. GO FLY IT..
Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 12:50 pm
Bennie, ek het dieselfde krisis gehad toe ek besluit het om 'n Gyro te koop. Wanneer jy met die agente van elke vliegtuig begin praat, dan raak jy mal. Elke agent se doel is om sy vliegtuig te verkoop.
Ek het gegaan en die verskillendes gevlieg, maar het gevind dat ek nie werklik 'n mening kan vorm nie aangesien ek niks geweet het van gyros nie.
'n Mens is dus aangewese op advies van agente sowel as pilots.
Die betroubaarste inligting sal jy kry by onafhanklike ouens wat reeds al hierdie Gyros gevlieg het. Dit sal instrukteers wees wat ondervinding het op al hierdie vliegtuie en wat opleiding op hierdie vliegtuie bied.
Weereens, as jy 'n Gyro wil he, dan wil jy hom nou he en jy wil gewoonlik nie die raad van die manne met die ondervinding glo nie. Ek weet presies hoe dit voel. Jy dink by jouself: die gyro het dan ook vlerke en 'n toe kajuit ens... hoekom sal hy nie ook dieselfde kan vlieg as die ander nie.
'n Mens dink later in sirkels.
Ek kan jou egter verseker, die toe kajuit is nie so belangrik nie. Meeste ouens se dat dit veroorsaak dat die gyro meer onstabiel is in winderige weer en jy moet wakker sit op landing. As toe kajuit vir jou so belanrik is, kry dan eerder 'n vliegtuig. 'n Gyro werk net beter as dit 'n oop kajuit is en daar is in elk geval min tot geen wind in die pilot seat.
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Ek het gegaan en die verskillendes gevlieg, maar het gevind dat ek nie werklik 'n mening kan vorm nie aangesien ek niks geweet het van gyros nie.
'n Mens is dus aangewese op advies van agente sowel as pilots.
Die betroubaarste inligting sal jy kry by onafhanklike ouens wat reeds al hierdie Gyros gevlieg het. Dit sal instrukteers wees wat ondervinding het op al hierdie vliegtuie en wat opleiding op hierdie vliegtuie bied.
Weereens, as jy 'n Gyro wil he, dan wil jy hom nou he en jy wil gewoonlik nie die raad van die manne met die ondervinding glo nie. Ek weet presies hoe dit voel. Jy dink by jouself: die gyro het dan ook vlerke en 'n toe kajuit ens... hoekom sal hy nie ook dieselfde kan vlieg as die ander nie.
'n Mens dink later in sirkels.
Ek kan jou egter verseker, die toe kajuit is nie so belangrik nie. Meeste ouens se dat dit veroorsaak dat die gyro meer onstabiel is in winderige weer en jy moet wakker sit op landing. As toe kajuit vir jou so belanrik is, kry dan eerder 'n vliegtuig. 'n Gyro werk net beter as dit 'n oop kajuit is en daar is in elk geval min tot geen wind in die pilot seat.
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:43 pm
Thanks Yoda
Nou is ek nog meer Confused.
Ek hou nie van turbelensie nie en ek dink indien mens kyk na vaste flerk in die selfde prys klas, dan is daar nie veel wat vinniger en veiliger as 'n Gyro nie. Ek sal net regtig graag its met 'n toe kajuit wil he, wat nie meer as 250k sal kos nie, darm 80 mph kan cruise. Cabin heating in die die winter het en enige tyd van die dag kan vlieg.
Net om 'n veilige vaste vlerk vir 250k te kan kry wat enige tyd van die dag kan flieg te kry sal maar bars gaan. Tensy die ding 40 jaar oud is.
So ek dink die Gyro ding behoort die beste te werk. Al wat ek nou moet doen is om die beste waarde vir my ou gelkie te kry...........................
Se jou wat, verkoop nou daardie ou Gyro van jou aan my en kry vir jou die nuwe Xenon.
Nou is ek nog meer Confused.
Ek hou nie van turbelensie nie en ek dink indien mens kyk na vaste flerk in die selfde prys klas, dan is daar nie veel wat vinniger en veiliger as 'n Gyro nie. Ek sal net regtig graag its met 'n toe kajuit wil he, wat nie meer as 250k sal kos nie, darm 80 mph kan cruise. Cabin heating in die die winter het en enige tyd van die dag kan vlieg.
Net om 'n veilige vaste vlerk vir 250k te kan kry wat enige tyd van die dag kan flieg te kry sal maar bars gaan. Tensy die ding 40 jaar oud is.
So ek dink die Gyro ding behoort die beste te werk. Al wat ek nou moet doen is om die beste waarde vir my ou gelkie te kry...........................
Se jou wat, verkoop nou daardie ou Gyro van jou aan my en kry vir jou die nuwe Xenon.
Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:19 pm
You called....!
Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:36 pm
Now isn’t she beautiful, but I bet she doesn’t come at 250k. 
The Sycamore
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 4:46 pm
The Sycamore has never had a safety issue - the incident that you are refering to was as a result of rotor abuse (by CAA investigation). The aircraft was taxied over a long distance of very rough terrain. This is not good for any rotors.
It is however a heavier aircraft than some of the gyros on the market but along with that comes the built in safety. I have heard of a pilot putting a Sycamore into the ground a 65mph and walking away with a sprained ancle- how may aircraft can make that claim. The issue of weight has been overcome by fitting a 33 ft alluminium rotor which is lighter than composite and provides great lift.
It is however a heavier aircraft than some of the gyros on the market but along with that comes the built in safety. I have heard of a pilot putting a Sycamore into the ground a 65mph and walking away with a sprained ancle- how may aircraft can make that claim. The issue of weight has been overcome by fitting a 33 ft alluminium rotor which is lighter than composite and provides great lift.
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:55 pm
GT450! GT450! GT450!
Did I say GT450!!!!
Did I say GT450!!!!
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:50 am
Have you seen this survey?
http://sagpa.co.za/sagpa/content/view/79/52
Gyroplane Survey | Print | E-mail
The following comparitive information is based on the Autogyro survey that appeared in African Pilot Magazine in January 2006.
Prices were supplied by the various participants in December 2005 and subject to currency fluctuations, and specification changes.
http://sagpa.co.za/sagpa/content/view/79/52
Gyroplane Survey | Print | E-mail
The following comparitive information is based on the Autogyro survey that appeared in African Pilot Magazine in January 2006.
Prices were supplied by the various participants in December 2005 and subject to currency fluctuations, and specification changes.