Casual Competition?

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Casual Competition?

Postby Blue Max » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:16 pm

vhpy
Fly and braai is lekker.
Tailwinders do that regurly.!
Why not just get together some Saturday and organize an informal competition amongst us.
Items like, spot landing, flower bom, time curcuit, and maybe simplified navigation.!
The type of competition that does not require a lot of organizing or permission from all the big brass at MISASA and akasa and ARASA and or who ever!!! (!!) (!!)
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Just asking, we have done it in Groblersdal and it was great fun.
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Re: Casual Competition?

Postby Bundy » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:19 am

Blue Max wrote: The type of competition that does not require a lot of organizing or permission from all the big brass at MISASA and akasa and ARASA and or who ever!!!
Icasa are only interested in stealing your money once a year...so don't worry about them. :roll:
Misasa would certainly support the "idea".....PS... we have no BIG BRASS here...(at the end of the day we are just normal pilots guys and girls like everyone else :) )

Only RAASA can give this permission, and in the eyes of the NTCA regulator...there is no such thing as a comp that does not require a lot of organising. :wink: It would be classed as a Special Air Event...would require a SAE Application...and thus Safety Plans, Safety Officers etc etc.... all have to be in place....
The "requirements" will depend on the circumstances, MOP and venue. If no members of the public are allowed....it will be "easier" to comply.

Hope you have a good stockpile of headache pills Oom Paul..... :) .....ask JB what a "breeze" this type of application is. :wink:
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Re: Casual Competition?

Postby nicow » Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:06 am

Paul,kom Potties toe,ek sal vir jou 'n kort NAV gee om te vlieg.Dis pret,en so kry mens meer ondervinding vir die kompetisies.
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Re: Casual Competition?

Postby Tumbleweed » Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:27 am

Who'd going to the Feb Raasa safety officers course?

I'm sure a 'resident' safety officer should nullify the politics. Just call it an excercise and not a comp.
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Re: Casual Competition?

Postby Blue Max » Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:44 am

:?
So, as ek een of twee van my chommies wil challenge om te sien wie die akkuraatste kan land moet ek n klomp vorms voltooi, n ambulans organise en bla bla bla.???
Ag nee wat ek glo nie enige iemand in die CAA sal n pyn met so-iets wil he nie.
Veral nie op n privaat runway, weg van n vliegskool of ATC area nie.! (?) (**)
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Re: Casual Competition?

Postby Blue Max » Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:58 am

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nicow wrote:Paul,kom Potties toe,ek sal vir jou 'n kort NAV gee om te vlieg.Dis pret,en so kry mens meer ondervinding vir die kompetisies.
Jy gaan my crook want jy ken die area soos jou handpalm. :lol: :lol:

Al die kompetiesies wat ons nog by Numbie bygewoon het was baie informeel en n groot jol.!
Al wat voor-af gereel was, was die drank vir agterna.!
Geen safety officers, ambulanse, vorms, air-spietcops,klikbekke, of enige van daai stront nie.
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Re: Casual Competition?

Postby nicow » Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:48 pm

Blue Max wrote:vhpy
nicow wrote:Paul,kom Potties toe,ek sal vir jou 'n kort NAV gee om te vlieg.Dis pret,en so kry mens meer ondervinding vir die kompetisies.
Jy gaan my crook want jy ken die area soos jou handpalm. :lol: :lol:

Al die kompetiesies wat ons nog by Numbie bygewoon het was baie informeel en n groot jol.!
Al wat voor-af gereel was, was die drank vir agterna.!
Geen safety officers, ambulanse, vorms, air-spietcops,klikbekke, of enige van daai stront nie.
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Re: Casual Competition?

Postby Turbo » Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:25 am

I hear the message and it is such a drag and hassle to organize all of that safety officer, and and and - but then again what if something does go wrong, and nothing was organized, then I guess there is another drag to happen in cleaning up all the mess....

I think we got to realize that this isn't riding a motorbike, its flying, a lot more dangerous and higher potential for something to go wrong..... touch wood it doesn't happen!
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Re: Casual Competition?

Postby Bundy » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:27 pm

Turbo wrote:I hear the message and it is such a drag and hassle to organize all of that safety officer, and and and - but then again what if something does go wrong, and nothing was organized, then I guess there is another drag to happen in cleaning up all the mess....
Not to mention the need for very "deep pockets" for the pending lawsuits that will most likely arise.... :wink:

Comps are fun, improve skills and build cammeraderie, we all know this and support the idea. Who wouldn't?? :)
.....but if paw paw hits fan in a "casual comp"....I'd hate to be an organizer of such. Consequences severe. :(

Another important thing that no one thinks of is....will your Life Insurance pay your family/beneficiaries out if you come to grief/injury during competition? I can tell you....mine does not....and will not! :wink:

"Normal" flying....no problem, I'm covered. :)
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Re: Casual Competition?

Postby kloot piloot » Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:04 pm

The reaction to Blue Max's idea is rather shocking :cry: .

Blue Max, there is no law to stop you from organizing an informal get-together, spot landing, flower bomb, or whatever.

Guys, we should start to understand what the difference is between a Special Air Event (SAE) is and what social flying and the expression of our rights are in terms of our constitution. Yes, MISASA has a constitution !

Hang glider and paraglider pilots compete daily who can land closest to a spot on any given day.
At our club, after we've had a microlight gaggle flight, we dare each other on our return to the field who can land closest to a determined line on the runway. Loser buys drinks. Ditto a harmless "mielie meel" drop or even the toilet roll drop at Numbi. All are done with common sense, common responsibility and a common aim at improving your skill in the game.

Please stop to blame teachers for letting a 5 year old drown in a long-drop toilet in Limpopo. (The mother (your own instinct and instructor) should have warned him at his age what is dangerous and dark, or the Department of Education should have advised (CAA/RAASA in this case) that the toilet is dangerous. We must stop to wait for RAASA to approve our already legal actions.

What Blue Max suggested, and shot down on, is exactly what is lacking in our sport.

Go paint a white line across your runway today and challenge yourselve and everyone to hit the spot with every landing, come cross winds, turbulence or whatever the elements want. That is how skills are improved. RAASA/MISASA and ICASA will not and cannot improve or limit your search for skill and fun; Only you and your buddies can.

There are self-preservation laws laid down by the authorities, but none prevents us from improving skill and having fun at the same time.

This is what Blue Max asked for and I dare clubs to follow suite.

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Re: Casual Competition?

Postby kloot piloot » Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:20 pm

PS and further to my rant above:

If you are still intimidated by the authorities, then call it a CAMP.

Sceptics, why do you think SSSA have gliding camps, SAPFA have Rally camps , precision landing camps , SAHPA have XC camps.

It is their way to avoid paper nonsense in order to improve skills. Compare the above associations' high safety records with others and I need not say more.

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Re: Casual Competition?

Postby Bundy » Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:41 am

You are welcome to label me negative Roel. I take no offense. :) Oom Paul knows me well enough to know that I'm not trying to take a piss on his idea. I do agree that there are many positives that come out of small challenges/landing comps etc etc but I make no apology for pointing out what may transpire from some accident/incident during such....where all ducks are not in a row.
I maintain that it puts the organisers of such at great risk to legal action and litigation. If you view the law differently then so be it.

It is illegal to drop anything out of an aircraft without express permission...fact. Flour bomb, toilet roll or easter egg....hell, even a handfull of chicken feathers.

We live in a very litigatious world guys,only when things go wrong does the search for blame and accountability start. Just be careful out there. :)
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Re: Casual Competition?

Postby Conrad » Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:11 am

A competition,
even if its for yourself,
doing it by your lone-some-self
is the best way to learn about your own flight skills.

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Re: Casual Competition?

Postby Conrad » Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:12 am

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really, its good.

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Re: Casual Competition?

Postby kloot piloot » Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:56 am

Bundy, I will never label you negative, in fact you represent the opposite (^^)

I tried to make 2 points:

1.
kloot piloot wrote:Blue Max, there is no law to stop you from organizing an informal get-together, spot landing, flower bomb, or whatever.
If that means to get prior approval to drop a flour bomb, so be it. For the rest common sense and no laws can stop you.

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kloot piloot wrote: We must stop to wait for RAASA to approve our already legal actions.
As Conrad rightly pointed out above, fun and improving skills can be done without anyone needed to approve of it.
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