Are you Johnathan, or the Seaguls?

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Are you Johnathan, or the Seaguls?

Postby Fairy Flycatcher » Tue Jun 20, 2006 5:23 pm

The last couple of topics which drew my attention made me wonder how people experience their flying, and what the reasons are we are flying. It anoyed me a bit to see how people flying microlights seem so incredibly set on "this is right" "this is wrong" :roll: :(

When did any of you read "Johnathan Livingston Seagul" by Richard Bach? :?:

Maybe I should put a couple of paragraphs here, and you decide whether you want to be a seagul or Johnathan....

Most gulls don't bother to learn more than the simplest facts of flight--how to get from shore to food and back again. For most gulls it is not flying that matters, but eating. For this gull, though, it was not eating that mattered, but flight."

We can also say, for most gulls its not flying that matters, but procedures... :twisted:
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Postby GR8-DAD » Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:03 pm

I'm also a bit gatvol of all the negative talk and arguments, even at work I get attacked with the "did you hear about the fatal accident........and do you still think you want to fly........etc." Gosh, everybody just reads past the "12 people died in a minibus accident..." or " 3 missing at sea" and all the other related unnatural deaths.

Since when has dying in a car accident become the norm and also generally acceptable to the public? If you make a mistake in a car, crash, burn and die it is perfectly OK with everyone, but oh no, not when there is a flying accident, oh no, we get roasted. Especially by our own kind :evil:

FF, you are right, and thank you, let's get out there and fly safely and enjoy it to the fullest. If you are in doubt, shit scared all the time and an eternal pessimist wrt flying, keep it to yourself and watch the hockey or soccer.

I'll rather have an engine out and do a forced landing in a field than have an engine out in my car in the middle of J'brg where for sure I'll get raped in the a$$, robbed and possibly murdered, or an engine out at sea on a boat and hell knows where the waves will take me.

Ladies and gents (and Morph you too) :twisted:

Lets go and fly, we all know the risks and we all know the basic procedures. Let's give off positive signals wrt flying:
I came across a story dating back to 1911 about a horse named Clever Hans. Hans could apparently add, subtract, multiply and divide and solve all sorts of mathematical problems. When asked a question, Hans would tap out the appropriate number with his hoof.
While this appeared to be amazing at the time, it was actually nothing new. A number of animals had been trained to perform such tricks before but they all had to be cued by their trainers. Hans however, was different. He could run through his repertoire even when his owner was not present. In fact, he would answer questions for anyone!
Two researchers with the unlikely names of Stumpt and Pfungst set out to investigate just how Hans was able to solve mathematical equations. What they found was that if the horse could not see the questioner, he could not answer the question. Similarly if the questioner did not know the answer, the horse couldn’t answer the question either.
They observed that it was the body language of the questioner that gave Hans his cue as to when to stop tapping. This could include a forward inclination of the head or even a dilatation of the nostrils. In other words, people were giving the horse the correct answer by communicating their expectations to him via physical signals. Clever Hans was only clever when people expected him to be!
What struck me was the similarity between the story and the way that people are managed in business. If you expect good things you give off positive signals and you usually get good results!
Unfortunately the reverse is also true. If you assume the worst, you give off negative signals which people pick up on and react accordingly. The chances are that if this occurs, your assumptions will actually prove to be correct. This is known as the self-fulfilling prophesy
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Postby lamercyfly » Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:45 pm

Yeah, kool.

There is no right or wrong.

There is only airmanship and consideration.

Let this page not lament my passing 'cause I flew into Fairy coming the wrong way under the N2 bridge....... :wink:

Nor let this page mourn my passing 'cause I tumbled my beloved Dragon while trying to navigate between two pine trees......... :wink:

Nor let you readers grieve when you read of my aircrafts structural failure due to excessive loading at 4000 feet AGL................

Nor let this page and it's readers wonder why I did what I did, or was doing what I was doing.

Chances are when it happens, I myself will only know that I was dancing in the sky.........

.......And the sky starts for me at 1foot AGL and has no end............
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Postby Morph » Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:22 pm

GR8-DAD wrote:Ladies and gents (and Morph you too) :twisted:
I'm not sure I understand where the hell this came from :?: :twisted:
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Postby Cloud Warrior » Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:21 am

Come on chaps - group hug now.

Remember that we all love flying and for that reason alone I think we are already one step up from just being your average "seagull".

I think that some people react differently to others when trying to cope with questions/uncertainties arising from the accidents that have occurred lately. If they want to raise their concerns on the forum then let them. Maybe this is the only place where they can voice their fears? Better to be able to talk about it here and keep people positive about flying than having a person say "stuff this" and walking away from the sport because he has not been able to give vent to his feelings. Sometimes you need that bit of support to keep going.

Open discussion and debate is a good thing. As long as we stick to arguing the point and keep things from getting personal. Its what true democracy is all about.
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Postby GR8-DAD » Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:27 am

Morph wrote:
GR8-DAD wrote:Ladies and gents (and Morph you too) :twisted:
I'm not sure I understand where the hell this came from :?: :twisted:
Now seriously Morph..... :shock: when did you change from Morpheus to Morph :?: I just haven't been concentrating properly lately?

...and u really are a gentleman of the sky...... :twisted: jokes aside :wink:
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Postby Tailspin » Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:58 am

To me flying is everything and more, there is nothing like being the only one on a winters morning at the airfield you preflight you take off and you buzz around for a bit and enjoy the peacefullness of being alone and also not alone, then as you return to the field you see it is buzzing with life suddenly everybody wants to have a peice of the sky, you land with a stupid grin on your face and pack away the trike and head for work NOTHING BEATS THAT :!:
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Postby Morph » Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:59 am

GR8-DAD wrote:Now seriously Morph..... :shock: when did you change from Morpheus to Morph :?: I just haven't been concentrating properly lately?
I decided to change the name to more closely represent the character in the avatar, and everyone calls me Morph any way, and most people think I stole Morpheus from the Matrix, which I didn't but got tired of explaining it.

I don't mind variations though like Morphman, The Morph-meister, Sir Morph, Lord Morph, even just Sir or Meneer, perhaps The Esteemed Morph Esquire, your choice :wink: 8)
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Postby Morph » Wed Jun 21, 2006 9:09 am

To me it is also the cold crispy mornings, in my nice warm enclosed cockpit, low level along the beach, cruising at 8500ft over magnificent mountain ranges, taking somebody up for their first time to experience the wonder of flight. Being the social animal I am, I enjoy the company of other aviators and interested parties, having a few beers, looking at the planes come and go. I can sit outside the pub at Stellenbosh Airfield all day, just staring at the planes, having a few beers. My wife doesn't understand me.

It's the long distance adventures with other planes, flying, landing, talking, and flying. I hate flying alone and I hate turbulance but I am no longer scared of it.

I also love the company of other fliers on this forum, it all adds up to be the best pastime/hobby/sport/negative cashflow enabler that there is. 8) :lol:
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Postby Splitter » Wed Jun 21, 2006 9:30 am

So many people, so many opinions. Some of us do low flying and other stuff because we love flying, the other half fly to tell people they are pilots and be in. In many years of flying I have seen many "pilots" doing the flying thing for the wrong reasons because of external presures from Friends, Girlfriends, etc. Fortunately they don't last long in this fraternity, but the schools pump out pilots at a fast rate so we will always be stuck with a few woozzies.

There is nothing like really flying. (or should I say it is the second best thing I can think of or you might guess my age.)

We also got to be carefull not to unnessassary attack fellow forummers when they make a statement on the forum. I have seen many times that the original posting was not meant in the way that some of us posted replies on it. We must not get hot under the belt for small things.
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Postby Joninmoz » Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:28 pm

I learnt to fly relatively late (late 30's) and it is quite simply the greatest skill I ever acquired. I enjoy flying away from the patch in my trike and watching the miles role by. Speed is not even a factor because it isn't about flying from A to B - it's only about flying.

Obviously it isn't possible to fly away every weekend - but guess what? Thats also okay because, after all, this is about being in the air as free as a bird, its about experiencing total freedom and being somehow removed from the pressures of everyday life. Flying low, flying high, flying in circles or straight and level its all the same in the end - as long as I am flying. To me flying is like therapy!

I never cease to be amazed at how robust a trike is and as long as I do my bit and look after and maintain my plane, I believe it won't drop me. Microlights are as safe as any aeroplane can be. Yes they do have soem limitations such as weather and trubulance but, to my mind, that just adds to the attraction - flying a primitive aircraft, by the seat of my pants just like the pioneers did!

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Postby Joninmoz » Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:03 pm

With acknowledgement to Mr. Shakespeare:

We few, we happy few, we band of brothers,
For he today who flies with me,
Shall be my brother, be he ne’er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition,
And gentlemen on the ground now –a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs’d they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That flew with us upon this day.

And I guess the ladies can substitue "sisters" for "brothers" and "manhood" with "womanhood" :? :lol:

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Re: Are you Johnathan, or the Seaguls?

Postby Morph » Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:23 pm

Fairy Flycatcher wrote:Most gulls don't bother to learn more than the simplest facts of flight--how to get from shore to food and back again. For most gulls it is not flying that matters, but eating. For this gull, though, it was not eating that mattered, but flight."
Sheez first we have it straight from the gulls mouth, love to know how many words a minute he can type :?: :wink: and then we have wise words from a man who never even conceived the very idea of real flight, William Shakespeare, and these are supposed to motivate us :shock: :wink: :lol:
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Postby Joninmoz » Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:47 pm

Hi Morph,

To be honest I changed a few words in the quotation :oops: . These are the words attributed to King Henry V on the eve of the battle of Agincourt which was (really) fought on 28 October 1415.

Here are the original words:

We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in England now-a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.

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Re: Are you Johnathan, or the Seaguls?

Postby John Young » Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:11 pm

Fairy Flycatcher wrote:Maybe I should put a couple of paragraphs here, and you decide whether you want to be a seagul or Johnathan....
FF, with only 70 hours, I am a seagull.

Remember, both you and Dave are professional pilots with nearly 8 000 hours between you.

Remember what Johnathan said when he flew into the cliff?

“F#########CK!!!!” with a fairly high pitched voice.

For the time being, I am happy to be a seagull – thanks.

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